XCR feels heavy, has a reasonably good trigger, can easily mount optics and uses easy to source AR mags. Accuracy? Not so good. On a really good day with tuned handloads off a sturdy bench 1.5-2.0 inch groups. Mil spec FMJ in 3-4" patterns. Handled the 540 and it was like, welcome to 1965, not so easy to mount optics and a one off mag system, and the price turned me right off.
Famae 540 vs. XCR vs. ACR
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What gen/model of XCR are you shooting there Glockster?
(Also: How did this thread end up in Main Battle Rifles subforum? Definitely a black rifles post.)
(Also: How did this thread end up in Main Battle Rifles subforum? Definitely a black rifles post.)
andrew3081
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If you get a light barrel on the XCR L, it will make it 100 times better to handle. With light barrel, the XCR is not front heavy anymore.
Massive difference going to keymod with light barrel.
The one you handled would be comparative in weight to most other piston guns IMO like the ACR, etc. The new one with a light barrel is approaching AR15 level lightness, just a hair over 7lbs and very nicely balanced.
Also of note,
The XCR-M .308 loses 2.25lbs going from old upper with heavy barrel to keymod upper with light barrel.
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MOST of the weight reduction is in the barrel. Going from the old upper to keymod upper do not save you that much weight. Going from heavy barrel to light barrel will save you most of the weight.
So if you get a keymod version with heavy barrel, it will still be very front heavy.
I believe Wolverine said the upper contributed to about a half pound loss, with the barrel contributing another pound. Trying to find the reference.
But yeah a keymod upper with a heavy barrel will still be front heavy, like any other rifle with a heavy barrel.
andrew3081
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Wolverine said it is 0.5 lb for the key mod rail and another 1lb for the light barrel for XCR-L.
For the XCR M, I think it you save 1.5 lbs with going with light barrel.
It's too bad that Robinson Arms has such a crappy track record in terms of CS. I don't understand why some people chose to operate their businesses like that. So, it looks like I am going to go in the direction of the Famae or the Classic Green, however, I have no idea as to whether or not the CG is going to have its prohibited status changed back to non-restricted status. Does anyone know if/when that would happen? Btw, thanks for all the info. Asking people know shoot is the only way to get a good idea of how each firearm stacks up against the other.
Bingo.
I have fired the ACR a few times. I have no personal experience with the FAMAE.
I own an XCR-L and have the following testimonial to offer in point form.
1) It shoots 2" at 100 yards with good scope & ammo "All day long"
2) I have never needed Loctite
3) It takes AR, LAR & Beowolf mags
4) No FTF, FTE or FT anything else with over 10,000 rounds down der pipe
5) Still shoots perfectly after over 10,000 rounds down der pipe
6) Parts are available through Wolverine. My advice is keep a spare recoil buffer on hand.
7) Quick change of calibers with barrel/bolt kit available from Wolverine
8) Front heavy but tolerable
9) I'm very satisfied with it
I own an XCR-L and have the following testimonial to offer in point form.
1) It shoots 2" at 100 yards with good scope & ammo "All day long"
2) I have never needed Loctite
3) It takes AR, LAR & Beowolf mags
4) No FTF, FTE or FT anything else with over 10,000 rounds down der pipe
5) Still shoots perfectly after over 10,000 rounds down der pipe
6) Parts are available through Wolverine. My advice is keep a spare recoil buffer on hand.
7) Quick change of calibers with barrel/bolt kit available from Wolverine
8) Front heavy but tolerable
9) I'm very satisfied with it
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Are you willing to look at a .308 / 7.62 NATO? If you were the FAMAE 542 is in the same family as the 540 and Classic Green but fires .308 / 7.62 NATO. The modern version of the rifle is the Swiss Arms SAPR which is unavailable in Canada right now. Also the 542 is about half price of the SAPR (if the SAPR were available) if that's of any appeal.
Nobody knows if/when the Swiss Arms will be returned to their original status. Write your MP and tell them what you think on the matter, or use the autoletter found here.
At the moment if you're looking into this family of rifle the only option is FAMAE 540 or 542. If you're willing to wait the Swiss Arms might go back to the original status, but that's a waiting game and gamble and nobody knows exactly how that mess will turn out.
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Love my XCR-M. It is front heavy, but I have never seen that as a liability as it really keeps the sights on the target during rapid fire. Ergos are second to none. Reliability has been very good too, mind you, I am only a few hundred rounds into it.
Handled the SG542 at my LGS the other day and thought the same.. No way would I spend 3k+ on it. It's all just stamped cheap metal and plastic.. Nothing machined nothing feels or looks quality, has expensive proprietary magazines.. Wasn't my cup of tea, maybe if it retailed for 1500.
My xcr-l keymod(and I suspect others like it) will do/have done better than that(1.5-2")@100 meters, prone off of a Harris bipod and bag with Factory Fed 50 gr JHP during break-in.
While I won't argue your perceptions, I will point out again (because people keep posting the same erroneous info) that stamped steel parts are not necessarily cheap. In fact many stamped production guns are the top of their particular class. HK produced them for decades, and the SG550/Classic Green family are the epitome of quality stamped steel production. In all cases the guns are made of very high quality steel. Stamping is used because for large production runs it is very economical. However it is hardly cheap.
Amazingly enough the same folks that decry stamped production guns then claim that extruded aluminum is superior!
There is a difference between making a simple thin skinned AK U-channel ( or box like AR18 receiver) and and a heavy stamped steel hexagonal swiss arms receiver.
Manufacturers don't design stamped sheet receiver in complex geometry like Swiss Arms anymore because it is too expensive to setup. If you stamp something, they need to be bent and wielded together! Once you have that setup, you are counting to run it for 30 years.
This totally doesn't make sense these days, while you can have much more flexible setup to make aluminum receivers out of extrusion tubes, so you can simply bolt the guiding rails on!!! Cheaper yet, make it plastic.
You will be dreaming if you think an aluminum extrusion tube is stronger than a hexagonal shaped Stamped Swiss Arms receiver.
Manufacturers don't design stamped sheet receiver in complex geometry like Swiss Arms anymore because it is too expensive to setup. If you stamp something, they need to be bent and wielded together! Once you have that setup, you are counting to run it for 30 years.
This totally doesn't make sense these days, while you can have much more flexible setup to make aluminum receivers out of extrusion tubes, so you can simply bolt the guiding rails on!!! Cheaper yet, make it plastic.
You will be dreaming if you think an aluminum extrusion tube is stronger than a hexagonal shaped Stamped Swiss Arms receiver.
