- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
In the case of the Remmy, anything that doesn't jam.
Fastest action rifle...
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- Ft. Mac. Alberta
There is a reason that double rifles abound for DG hunting in Africa!
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I'm not a native...I can only shoot one...
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
The fastest action is the one you are most used to. Any manual action can be cycled as the rifle recoils and be ready for a follow up once back on target. The double might get two shots off faster, but not two aimed shots from a major caliber. I grew up with bolt guns, so that's what I'm happiest with. The bolt's best attribute of course is that you don't have to wait for gas to cycle the action.
I love my remington pump 30-06, and yes I have required two shots sometimes to kill things. Especially when I used basic factory ammo. My gun just didn't like the easily available stuff from Cambodian tire and Walmart.
And I thought that in some provinces, you could get 2 or more deer on a licence. I know that here in Yellowknife, I can get 2 caribou with my licence and 2 seasons ago the number was 5. So the pump was nice when you shot the "big , choice bull" first , then had 4 more tags to fill on running animals.
The Remington has a free floated barrel too, and is just as accurate as most of my bolt guns. The only thing I regret is that once you and 3 buddies kill 20 animals, thats a sh*t load of animals to skin, gut, and quarter.
And I thought that in some provinces, you could get 2 or more deer on a licence. I know that here in Yellowknife, I can get 2 caribou with my licence and 2 seasons ago the number was 5. So the pump was nice when you shot the "big , choice bull" first , then had 4 more tags to fill on running animals.
The Remington has a free floated barrel too, and is just as accurate as most of my bolt guns. The only thing I regret is that once you and 3 buddies kill 20 animals, thats a sh*t load of animals to skin, gut, and quarter.
After all the arguments & conversations about legal "gang" hunting in some provinces & you still haven't heard about it?
Second shots can be important, even I
have carefully led a game animal & touched of a shot just as it slipped behind a pecker pole! D'oh
- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
I use a lever gun most of the time. It's probably not as fast as a pump, in terms of the action itself, but it has other fast handling characteristics I like.
Short carbine length, lots of shots in the tube mag, meaning no mag changes, and nothing in my pocket.
Weight forward, for that settling effect when you need a quick shot.
Smaller movements when working the action, and therefore better for remaining unseen.
Do I need a second shot?
If I were hunting in open country, where finding my deer would be no problem, or where someone else getting there first wasn't a possibility, then no.
However, I hunt in the thick ####, where a deer can disappear in a bound or two, and other hunters do inhabit the woods.
I shoot until the deer is down, or out of sight.
Short carbine length, lots of shots in the tube mag, meaning no mag changes, and nothing in my pocket.
Weight forward, for that settling effect when you need a quick shot.
Smaller movements when working the action, and therefore better for remaining unseen.
Do I need a second shot?
If I were hunting in open country, where finding my deer would be no problem, or where someone else getting there first wasn't a possibility, then no.
However, I hunt in the thick ####, where a deer can disappear in a bound or two, and other hunters do inhabit the woods.
I shoot until the deer is down, or out of sight.
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I believe a pump is the fastest of the manually operated actions. This is especially true of those who own pump action shotguns as well as pump action rifles.
Open the action with the recoil and use the forward closing stroke to bring the rifle back level.
Unfortunately many older pumps have stocks which are not optimised for scope use so even with the gun operated from the shoulder time may be lost trying to acquire the field of view after recoil.
In such cases a properly fitted bolt may turn out to be just as fast.
Open the action with the recoil and use the forward closing stroke to bring the rifle back level.
Unfortunately many older pumps have stocks which are not optimised for scope use so even with the gun operated from the shoulder time may be lost trying to acquire the field of view after recoil.
In such cases a properly fitted bolt may turn out to be just as fast.
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CGN Regular
- Location
- Manitoulin Island, Ontario
My vote would go for the rem pump 760 or 7600.
In my opinion the Remington Model 141 was a smoother faster pump but the largest caliber it was chambered for was the 35 REM, great deer round but a little light for moose.
In my opinion the Remington Model 141 was a smoother faster pump but the largest caliber it was chambered for was the 35 REM, great deer round but a little light for moose.
- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
Pumps are fast, but, I'd wonder about what would happen in a speed contest with a BLR in a short caliber like 308. They are incredibly fast, basically, you just open and close your lever hand, and the trigger is with the lever, so no pinch concern.
- Location
- marmora ontario
Hey, I,m a native Canadian because Canada is my NATAL country.I am not an "Aboriginal" nor "First Nations" or an "Indian" I AM A NATIVE BORN CANADIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!! First and foremost! Jeez These Friggin Politically correct Terms are a mighty P!ss Off,get a life guys!!!! Jitc
Nothing like ignorance to fuel a debate.
Especially ignorance that does not recognize that THEIR reality is not universal.
One shot, one kill, yes that is a good objective. In the real world, it doesn't happen as often as people might think. ESPECIALLY newbies and wannabes. And I do not want to hear from people that are just learning to shave or just got their first hunting licence or whatever, sorry kiddo your opinion just does not count.
In PRACTICAL terms, any firearm with more than one shot, be it a double, a triple (drilling), a semi, a lever gun, a pump gun, a bolt gun, whatever, can put a second AIMED shot about as quickly as any other action can. The limiting factor is the person operating the firearm. As people have said. And those that said so are correct. They actually have EXPERIENCE, in most cases.
Novel concept for some of you wannabes...............
Doug
Especially ignorance that does not recognize that THEIR reality is not universal.
One shot, one kill, yes that is a good objective. In the real world, it doesn't happen as often as people might think. ESPECIALLY newbies and wannabes. And I do not want to hear from people that are just learning to shave or just got their first hunting licence or whatever, sorry kiddo your opinion just does not count.
In PRACTICAL terms, any firearm with more than one shot, be it a double, a triple (drilling), a semi, a lever gun, a pump gun, a bolt gun, whatever, can put a second AIMED shot about as quickly as any other action can. The limiting factor is the person operating the firearm. As people have said. And those that said so are correct. They actually have EXPERIENCE, in most cases.
Novel concept for some of you wannabes...............
Doug
- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
I'll add to that, that recoil is a major factor in speed, as some have already posted.
To actually test the speed, you'd have to get some guys together that were familiar with the actions being tested, and have all the various rifles, of the same weight, and using the same load, in the same cartridge.
For example, a 73 Winchester fired by a competent shooter familiar with the rifle, in 44-40, will easily beat, for aimed fire, any semi-auto, bolt, pump etc. sporting rifle you care to mention, if they were chambered in say 30-06.
To actually test the speed, you'd have to get some guys together that were familiar with the actions being tested, and have all the various rifles, of the same weight, and using the same load, in the same cartridge.
For example, a 73 Winchester fired by a competent shooter familiar with the rifle, in 44-40, will easily beat, for aimed fire, any semi-auto, bolt, pump etc. sporting rifle you care to mention, if they were chambered in say 30-06.
