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Favorite .257 bullet
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It was? Or it is?
The 21st (twenty-first) century is the current century in the Anno Domini era or Common Era, under the Gregorian calendar. It began on 1 January 2001 (MMI) and will end on 31 December 2100 (MMC).
Only trying to help...
R.
I loaded up some 90 Sierras in a 257 Weatherby once, mostly because they were there and I was curious. After a couple shots at 25 to get a good guess at where they'd hit farther out, I tried a few at 100. Nothing hit the target, but there were little puffs of blue smoke halfway there.
As you've noted a 22/250 can kill spectacularily. Speed and fragmentation do a lot of damage with the nagging worry that penetration won't be enough. That's why I like somewhat larger calibers at speeds that rival the varmint calibers, shed about a 22/250s worth of shrapnel and still hang onto enough bullet to ensure penetration. Best of both worlds.
It was? Or it is?
The 21st (twenty-first) century is the current century in the Anno Domini era or Common Era, under the Gregorian calendar. It began on 1 January 2001 (MMI) and will end on 31 December 2100 (MMC).
Only trying to help...
R.
Who isn’t reloading or have cartridge’s that are 60 to 100 plus years old?
In terms of firearm discussion the Berger box thing was yesterday.
exactly, you have to match starting sd, impact velocity, and construction of bullet...FOR GAME INTENDED
for the guys you're responding too...the 90 gr example does have an adequate starting sd of .195 for deer size game, but the impact velocity out of a Weatherby is way too high for the bullet construction type to retain much and penetration will be be shallow, you may only take a front shoulder but fail to get much further, if you slowed it down in say a Roberts, that same bullet will go twice as deep and be far more effective, this is why you'll hear of more 80gr ttsx kills with 257's than 90gr rapid construction bullet kills, and on the flip side the 80's will penetrate deep enough but they don't seem to open up like lighter construction bullets limiting the internal damage and as Dogleg proved out in culling...not super fast killers, you're mostly just poking holes, you get a lot more margin for error when you apply bullets of higher (more than adequate) sd for game intended, this will allow you a broader spectrum of velocities you can drive them as well as a broader spectrum of construction types...ie; you can drive rapid construction bullets knowing the first half can do the internal work you love for shorter recoveries but there's plenty of bullet left on the back end to keep the train moving minimum ~20" through game. this is the formula many will come to prefer if you study and try things as you go over time, including listening to others experiences
case in point, in the USA there are guys, and not just a few, a bunch, that are killing with .223's and 77 gr tmk's out to 400 yards on big game including broadside elk no problem, they have matched the impact velocity range for that construction and game intended and the damage they are doing through 18" of penetration is unreal, there's not much bullet left, but there's 80 pages of experiences and pictures and you won't believe the internal damage from that combo...so they found a very high level combo, if you drove the same bullet with a .22-250 it will be too fast and not go as deep, you'd want to up your sd to compensate for the extra speed for that bullet construction...or again, go to tougher bullet able to go 18-24" through game consistently
yes it was yesterday, but the discussion took a turn on match bullets vs hunting bullets so was a prime example to use to put some final nails in the coffin on it
you may have 'reloader's goggles' on, I find it amazing how many guys who reload just feel like everyone does, I don't think that's the case but maybe I'm wrong, in order to get peak efficiency and performance for much of the 20th you had to reload and for high volume shooters...costs, but the 21st century makes that optional now thanks to 21st century cartridges/rifles and factory ammo so now for guys who like top performance and efficiency they can get it off the shelf, and those who actually do a lot of shooting can still reduce cost by reloading, my cartridge was Shot Show introduced in 2004 so it'll be 19 years old next month, yet I hunted with everything 20th century up to 2018 as that's how long it took for the factory rifles/ammo to get into my part of the world or I would have switched sooner, there's nothing else in my safe now
, I refuse to reload, into way too many other pies in life, but like to shoot top performance and efficiency and prepare as well as anyone before the season (have my own gongs etc.), anyone shooting a Creed or PRC are shooting 21st century cartridges (2008/2020), all of them are off the shelf options making reloading optional, there's more (6 creed, 6 arc, 6.8 western, 300 prc, 7 prc just launched) but everyone has heard of at least a couple of themwe are derailing a little bit here, back to 257 bullet choices...go with 115 Bt's lol
yes, it's a range, and yes, backing up would make many rapid construction bullets out of fast rigs work better, or maybe just slow it down, heavy for cal choices, or shrink the cartridge but lining all this up with the ranges and game you intend to kill is the game, it's why the long range crowd extra endorses faster rigs but a-max, Berger yellow box, eld-m, ballistic tip etc., for the mortals shooting less range run the same bullets out of normal slower cartridges and get same performance on game, I don't want to derail further explaining my own choice and field requirements but I'm happier with performance of rapid controlled expansion bullets with more than adequate for game intended sd's landing on game in the 1800-2400 fps range, I chose a bullet and cartridge that will do that with no fat in the distances I'm happy with, most will prefer a little more fat, the 257 bee here is a high fat round and devastating killer to beyond what I currently ask for...really think anyone reading this and especially the cull thread linked where Dogleg smashed a lifetimes worth of animals is the best evidence to look at here
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ya don't read the .223 thread on rokslide, they found a formula with 77gr tmk's that's devastating to 400 on elk, 18" penetration with internal damage that you can't believe, they have 80 pages and years worth documented, pics etc. so there is more to terminal ballistics than most currently understand, bit of a derail but if you match the starting sd, construction and impact velocities to game intended this is far more important than headstamp, the .22-250 might want to increase the sd to say 88's etc. as they are likely going too fast for a lot of the bullet choices, I'm guessing these .22-250 examples weren't using 40gr v-max but rather a 55 partition or something that both opens but holds together somewhat to get the 18" penetrations needed
Agreed, but where people fail is shot placement. They want a bullet that will go through anything, hence mono’s. Few understand caliber never mind bullet restrictions and distance. Those that do, do.
yes it was yesterday, but the discussion took a turn on match bullets vs hunting bullets so was a prime example to use to put some final nails in the coffin on it
you may have 'reloader's goggles' on, I find it amazing how many guys who reload just feel like everyone does, I don't think that's the case but maybe I'm wrong, in order to get peak efficiency and performance for much of the 20th you had to reload and for high volume shooters...costs, but the 21st century makes that optional now thanks to 21st century cartridges/rifles and factory ammo so now for guys who like top performance and efficiency they can get it off the shelf, and those who actually do a lot of shooting can still reduce cost by reloading, my cartridge was Shot Show introduced in 2004 so it'll be 19 years old next month, yet I hunted with everything 20th century up to 2018 as that's how long it took for the factory rifles/ammo to get into my part of the world or I would have switched sooner, there's nothing else in my safe now
we are derailing a little bit here, back to 257 bullet choices...go with 115 Bt's lol
Most 25cal factory ammo is rather anemic and lacking variety.
Very much like the 6.5 over 20 years ago. Now look what happened. .257’s are the next thing, mark my words. Lol
If anything it will be a marketing move. Keep people buying with the latest and greatest. When I bought my first 260 rem, I believe in ‘96, the shop owner tried to talk me into another caliber as there wasn’t as good of bullet selection as others, he figured loaded ammunition would be hard to find and the 6.5’s weren’t going anyplace…..
Dogleg that’s the funny part, it’s amazing how many times I have been told my various 25’s are too small but the 6.5 creed is about perfect.
Ah, but the magical 25 creedmore will change everyone's mind. - dan
Especially when heavier 25 cal bullets hit the market
Very heavy 7mm bullets would make things even more interesting...
There aren't enough 6.5 cases with capacity to drive a heavy for calibre bullet well over 3000 fps?
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