Federal brass, a comparison

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OK, so most of you know I buy up the .223 Rem brass from some police ranges, process it and sell it.

There has been a fairly strong preference among my customers for Winchester brass, followed by Winchester military (WCC), and IVI.

Federal is a favourite of a minority. Quite a few seem to avoid it like the plaque. I found this odd at first as when I first started shooting in the late 80's, Federal pistol brass was highly regarded.

I've been slowly accumulating federal, so I started processing a batch today. Normally, the Dillon 1050 doesn't require a lot of adjustment, but whenever I dump the catch box, I guage the last case in the Dillon headspace guage. Same thing when I first start up the press, I check the cases in the guage and for OAL after the trim station.

Up until now the only thing I've ever had to play with was the depth of the backing rob for the primer pocket swaging station, and only for one batch of IVI.

The last batch of brass off the press was IVI. They guaged perfect. Right between the go/nogo step in the guage, and 1.751 OAL before final tumble. The batch of Winchester before that was exactly the same.

Today I began a load of Federal. :shock: :shock: :shock:

Holy sheep dip, what a difference.

The OAL was reduced to 1.745, and the cases fell below the minimum step in the headspace guage. I freaked out, and grabbed the last box of IVI off the press to double check. Nope, they were perfect.

I checked out the shellplate. No problems, just as tight as ever.


My only conclusion is that there is far less "spring" in the brass used by Federal. Since it seems impossible for the press to have changed, there must be a difference in the brass.
 
I see you're talking about Federal rifle brass.... My understanding is that their pistol brass is ok, or am I mistaken??

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Dean
 
When I started shooting in the 80's, people would just about trip over each other to grab your brass if it was Federal. Winchester was viewed as OK, and Remington was viewed as second rate.

I've been shooting Starline pistol brass for so long, I couldn't tell you what current production Federal pistol brass is like.
 
lcq said:
Federal rifle brass has loose primer pockets

???

I load a fair bit of it and find the primer pockets are just fine. The biggest problem I have seen is with the new. non-plated. Winchester large rifle primers. Those damn things are loose in any cartridge case I have tried! LoL Hell I have had them fall out of brand new RP brass fresh out of the bag.
 
I've had federal brass thats good and some that wasn't so good, and it's not restricted to federal. I find that all makes of brass can vary from bad to good, even Lapua on the rare occasion. Some brass is too soft and some is too brittle, some is concentric and the next batch you get from the same manufacturer can be awful. You never know what you are getting from any manufacturer until you use it. I think it has more to do with the properties of the brass each individual lot is made from. I also found winchester primers tend to be on the small side.
 
I use Federal brass for my 300 Savage. After only a few uses the necks are splitting. Also the cases seem to grow in length and require trimming more than other calibres I reload. (Loads are 39 gr. 3031 with 150 gr. bullet) I have never annealed the necks and haven't tried other makes of cases to see if they are the same. I haven't had any problems with primer pockets. Mostly I use Federal 210's. I'm not sure about these cases and wonder if I should try another make. I still have over a 100 of them though but if the necks keep splitting they are history.
 
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