Federal introduces 7mm Backcountry

If this was true the 30-06 would have made the 30-30 obsolete, and yet plenty of people still hunt with the 30-30 despite it being 130 years old.

It is certainly a step up in performance, but even if this cartridge is as successful as the PRCs and Creedmoors it is still not going to replace the vast majority of hunting rifles on this continent.

Plus, gun people are big into collecting and history, if this case technology became the new norm its not like everyone is going to rush out and dump everything they own for new guns using this technology. It will take many years, perhaps decades even, for this technology to replace brass cases as the "standard". There will certainly be SOME people rushing out to replace their 308win with a 308BackCountry to get that extra 200fps or whatever, but for most people that use a 308win for hunting they use a 308win because it works, they don't need that extra FPS, if they did they already have options for that in the form of 30-06 and 300win mag.

Of course the old cartridges won't disappear at once if 85k becomes stamdard. That's not what obsolete means. People still hunt with flintlocks and sticks. Obsolete just means it's been superceded, not that it's not useful.

Thing is the 30-06 is just now becoming obsolete 125 years later. 30-30 became obsolete in about 15 years, when spitzer bullets became the norm. We haven't seen any significant innovation in cartridge technology for 125 years. Usually increases in pressure lead to smaller bore cartridges becoming standard as well. What a year this can be!
 
Of course the old cartridges won't disappear at once if 85k becomes stamdard. That's not what obsolete means.

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The guns of today will be in use and be useful for generations to come. The term you're probably looking for is obsolescent.
 
When the dust settles, we'll be still running the same old standby's that are tried and true...having said that, I figured the 6.5 C was a flash in the pan...but I digress...concur with all the banter about steel cases and the lot...I guess I'm old fashioned and will stick to brass based cartridges...7 mm Backcountry has some interesting ballistics though...dang...
 

obsolete​

adjective

ob·so·lete ˌäb-sə-ˈlēt
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no longer in use or no longer useful


obsolete
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The guns of today will be in use and be useful for generations to come. The term you're probably looking for is obsolescent.
If 85k cartridges become normal, the military will consider all current cartridges as being obsolete. Sorry, military definition.
 
If 85k cartridges become normal, the military will consider all current cartridges as being obsolete. Sorry, military definition.

The military ALREADY has that with the 277 Fury... and is 7.62x51 obsolete? Nope.

May 7.62x51 become obsolete in the future? Sure. But it will take decades for any of these new case technologies to replace everything, especially if you consider all the people who are not front line infantry and the gear they are supplied with.
 
Tech changes with the skills and tools that are available. You can ride in the old truck and wave from the distance as you get left behind or you can embrace new tech. J.M.B. changed the world as a true mechanical thinker. A.K. made mass production a thing. Times change. Learn, adapt and excel.
I suspect the next change is going to be barrel technology and a new type of rifle groove.
Cheers
 
Tech changes with the skills and tools that are available. You can ride in the old truck and wave from the distance as you get left behind or you can embrace new tech. J.M.B. changed the world as a true mechanical thinker. A.K. made mass production a thing. Times change. Learn, adapt and excel.
I suspect the next change is going to be barrel technology and a new type of rifle groove.
Cheers
It won't kill an animal at 400 yards any faster or better than current technology, but have at it fellas .
It has about as much appeal for me as the latest 12gauge ultra fast steel loads for waterfowl, but I know some people that are excited about it.
Cat
 
Was doing some online reading about this new cartridge, there are at least a couple guys already wildcatting it. One gent necked it down to 6mm and blew the shoulder out and forward. Seems to work OK, but I wonder how malleable those steel cases are, and how durable once they've been worked a few times. I'll be watching with interest. - dan
 
I wonder what percentage of new whiz-bang cartridges actually become commercial successes given the vast array of overlapping and tried-and-true cartridges that have been around a long time? I still think 7x57 and 8x57 are excellent and effective for their intended limits! :)

How is 6.8 Western doing?
There's a big difference
These new cartridges are able to shoot heavy bullets for their caliber. The rifles have faster twist rates to allow it. If you tried shooting these heavy projectiles in those old tried and true calibers they would take up room in the powder column.
Many say "they are just making something that already did the job."
The 7 rem mag, could never shoot 190 gr. bullets.
These new whiz bang cartridges are cable of shooting heavier bullets more suited to longer ranges. They are not just "hype"
They are a lot of marketing, but they are actually well designed, and very efficient
 
There's a big difference
These new cartridges are able to shoot heavy bullets for their caliber. The rifles have faster twist rates to allow it. If you tried shooting these heavy projectiles in those old tried and true calibers they would take up room in the powder column.
Many say "they are just making something that already did the job."
The 7 rem mag, could never shoot 190 gr. bullets.
These new whiz bang cartridges are cable of shooting heavier bullets more suited to longer ranges. They are not just "hype"
They are a lot of marketing, but they are actually well designed, and very efficient
I don't disagree with you. However, the overlap with existing proven cartridges in a myriad of well-made and/or sentimental rifles is significant and the overlap is growing year over year. Just for the record, I am tossing 198 grain Norma factory 8x57 loads with ease and well above my performance requirements (nearly 2800 ft. lbs of muzzle energy). My opinion, and I do believe this is still a free speech country, is that there can only be niche markets for most (not all) new cartridge contenders. We'll see just how well steel case designs are received in the mainstream.
 
Thanks for that tip, I'll continue to lean towards the "no". The 7mm Remington Magnum offers so much, it may be my next purchase, not unless........................
Hey - Get on TRACK ! 7 mm PRC is the way to go - anything a 7 REM mag can do a 7 PRC can do it BETTER !
Very Easy to load cartridge- No belt for better head spacing ! Get. One you will like it . RJ
 
Tech changes with the skills and tools that are available. You can ride in the old truck and wave from the distance as you get left behind or you can embrace new tech. J.M.B. changed the world as a true mechanical thinker. A.K. made mass production a thing. Times change. Learn, adapt and excel.
I suspect the next change is going to be barrel technology and a new type of rifle groove.
Cheers

And that old truck will get you from Point A to Point B just fine. It might not have an infotainment system and AC and a twin-turbo 4-cylinder, but it still does the job for most users.
 
Hey - Get on TRACK ! 7 mm PRC is the way to go - anything a 7 REM mag can do a 7 PRC can do it BETTER !
Very Easy to load cartridge- No belt for better head spacing ! Get. One you will like it . RJ
Whats the recoil comp between an 7PRC and a 7RM?

This 7BC is very interesting, and I am gonna be in the market for a new rifle this spring. I just hope Weatherby comes to Canada with this, or another reputable manufacturer, because Savages, while being shooters most of the time, just aren't for me.
 
Whats the recoil comp between an 7PRC and a 7RM?

This 7BC is very interesting, and I am gonna be in the market for a new rifle this spring. I just hope Weatherby comes to Canada with this, or another reputable manufacturer, because Savages, while being shooters most of the time, just aren't for me.

IIRC the Youtube video I watched claimed there are ~80 models of rifle being made in this caliber. I can only assume that means most manufacturers are on board.
 
IIRC the Youtube video I watched claimed there are ~80 models of rifle being made in this caliber. I can only assume that means most manufacturers are on board.

Yeah I saw that too, My main worry is what manufacturers come to Canada with it/what Canadian gun retailers bring over in this cartridge, cause as you probably know, we get a trickle of what they get in the US.
 
I don't disagree with you. However, the overlap with existing proven cartridges in a myriad of well-made and/or sentimental rifles is significant and the overlap is growing year over year. Just for the record, I am tossing 198 grain Norma factory 8x57 loads with ease and well above my performance requirements (nearly 2800 ft. lbs of muzzle energy). My opinion, and I do believe this is still a free speech country, is that there can only be niche markets for most (not all) new cartridge contenders. We'll see just how well steel case designs are received in the mainstream.

If you analyze the design characteristics of most of the new cartridge offerings, you will note that they are mostly geared to "extending range." They are mostly well thought out and well balanced cartridges that are objectively better than older cartridges when applied to their niche.

However, I feel there are two issues with developing and sustaining new cartridge designs. First, these new cartridges don't really differentiate themselves significantly from well established and currently WIDELY available alternatives "FOR THE PURPOSES THAT MOST USE THEM FOR." Secondly, corporations MUST make a long term commitment to manufacturing rifles, ammunition and components to supply, NOT JUST the "demand," but to saturate the retailer shelves... however there is the crunch... corporations being beholden to their shareholders and boards, gear their supply to the demand in the marketplace... so there is the "catch 22," consumers won't buy if they can't feed their beasts, and corporations won't manufacture if consumers don't buy. This paradigm will only get worse in the current economy. IMO, the cartridge offerings are going to get steeply streamlined by the corporations that dictate supply, and reloaders and wildcatters are going to have to be more and more resourceful in feeding their beasts and exploring their whims. Lately, I have been concentrating new builds on readily available cases, all-be-it, new cartridges... they do not fill a gap, they do not do anything new... they just work well and please me... at least I know that components are not likely to be an issue for the foreseeable future.

Recent specific designs developed in a cooperative effort between ammunition manufacturers and firearms manufacturers have had lack luster results... the Creedmore required a MASSIVE marketing campaign, and sustained platform and component production, and as a result has been the most successful. The SAUM lineup is dead, the WSSM lineup is dead, half of the WSM lineup are dead, with the .270 and .300 versions doing better than the others, the Ruger RSM's are all dead, the .375 Ruger case is struggling, reloading brass is MIA and Hornady is slow with factory ammo production. The PRC's are popluar right now, I am building one myself, but stocked up on components first.... but give it 5-10 years and then lets see what kind of OEM support they have. I believe you can largely kiss the 6.8 Western case goodbye pretty much by the end of 2025, and now the Federal 7mm BC... with its additional requirements for reloading, brass, platform and pressures etc... Given the track records of these other designs, I would not bet the farm on the 7mm Back Country.
 
Hey - Get on TRACK ! 7 mm PRC is the way to go - anything a 7 REM mag can do a 7 PRC can do it BETTER !
Very Easy to load cartridge- No belt for better head spacing ! Get. One you will like it . RJ
My bible (Nosler Reloading Manual) only has data for 185 grain. I would love to shoot the lighter bullets, such as: 140 and 150 grain accubond. I'm not into these fast twist rifling barrels, I'm old stock, still sitting on the shelf, collecting dust, standing-by with the tried and true.;)
 
My bible (Nosler Reloading Manual) only has data for 185 grain. I would love to shoot the lighter bullets, such as: 140 and 150 grain accubond. I'm not into these fast twist rifling barrels, I'm old stock, still sitting on the shelf, collecting dust, standing-by with the tried and true.;)

I would think you would be able to use 7RemMag starting data in the PRC and work up, the case capacities are very similar. I wonder if the jump to the rifling might be an issue with the shorter, lighter bullets in a PRC though, the PRC case is a fair bit shorter than the Rem Mag to accommodate the long heavy bullets.
 
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