Feds want to increase the number of grizzly bears in the North Cascades ecosystem..

Re-introduce grizzlies to the Ottawa region.

Somebody check pringles' meds.

Umchorn? Wow, where to begin? Now that you and Angus are kindred spirits, maybe the two of you can spend a weekend brainstorming in that wildlife preserve that nobody wants to invest in with you.

And Angus? Sorry about that bus, I couldn't resist...:)
 
Umchorn2, maybe I missed something, but I certainly would like to see a Grizzly Bear in the wild.
Matter a fact, they roam near Squamish BC and have come into town either by expansion of their range or pushed out by other factors, human or other Larger Grizzly Bears.

As for the tinfoil hatters thinking people are pushed to the cities to create an electoral boundary is well...
Tinfoil hatter material right along with the Chem trail theories...

Kinda like paving the tree paradise and putting them ( trees) in a tree museum , charging $5.00 just to see them.
Rob
 
Looks like a serious case or rurocentric xenophobia here folks. Keep back. There's nothing to see here.



this is all just a product of liberal ideas, ill lay out my point.

-liberals get their main support from cities
-conservatives from rural areas
-by making people believe nature is dangerous they will push people into cities
-by making nature dangerous they gain a larger support population because rural population decreases, they re-draw the electoral map and gain more seats and ensure control of the government
-so under the guise of being pro environmental they are pushing for control of the government

agree or disagree on the points I've laid out, it does have merit
 
Ru•ro•cen•tric

ˌrərōˈsentrik,ˌro͝orōˈsentrik/
adjective
adjective: Rurocentric;

1. focusing on rural culture or history to the exclusion of a wider view of the world; implicitly regarding rural culture as preeminent.
 
damned did you mean correction on google... same basic premise though, trading euro with ruro. i got what you meant either way

didn't think it was rude just a definition, I'm no snowflake. thanks for the backup though jjohnwm
 
Yes but to reintroduce grizzlies and have public safety will mean fences and private ranches where bears are welcomed. Many people do not want this. Personally I'll take 2...and I'm willing to pay. But pretty much everyone on gunnutz would rather not see a grizzly bear than see bears behind large fenced and animal friendly habitats.

So until people accept that we need fences and private investment in wildlife conservation here in Canada, the truth is these bears and all predators or any wildlife that poses even a small risk to public safety or costs ranchers in lost revenue will be systematically destroyed. And for the time being you're going to need to charter a private plane to remote areas to truly see wilderness or what resembles it.

Would one large trophy grizzly bear hunt pay for 20-50 cattle kills if sold on the world market? Duh yeah it would but some people never want to see the bears pay their way economically and compete for space with cattle. These are the same people that think their $40 draw tags buy habitat and protect it. Rather, it's the true cost of the hunt that needs to be realized for the bears to be saved in todays world. Nobody is going to keep thousands of square miles of habitat for wildlife when they can't sell it to generate the funds needed to keep the land for wildlife in the first place.

Like any business out there, wildlife will only be preserved and protected by the very people who can properly value it and profit from it. Give the bears a price, give the bears a life. Otherwise they will continue to be replaced by every and any other thing that generates revenue in our world. And since the bears actually pose a threat to people and property they will have a particularly difficult time of surviving into the 22nd century.

How many of you gunnutterz are prepared to pay the full price of keeping the bears alive? I bought and paid for my land and I choose to keep it wild...how many of you will spend anything above your $40 tags to keep the wildlife around?? Yeah...I thought so. Everyone wants to shoot and kill but no one wants to invest in the wildlife beyond their rifle and box of shells. I'm not singling you out on this Ardent, I think you and I want to keep wildlife around. I'm just elaborating in the points you raised. You and I are one of the few guys who brings value to the hunting and conservation community.

I finally read this, and I'm afraid you're sorely mistaken as I don't believe we agree on a single thing.
 
Yes but to reintroduce grizzlies and have public safety will mean fences and private ranches where bears are welcomed. Many people do not want this. Personally I'll take 2...and I'm willing to pay. But pretty much everyone on gunnutz would rather not see a grizzly bear than see bears behind large fenced and animal friendly habitats.

So until people accept that we need fences and private investment in wildlife conservation here in Canada...

Dear God....
 
Whatever do you mean, Hoyt? He's got a couple hundred acres...he's willing to pay...an SJW for nature!

Surely it's possible to conserve grizzlies by establishing a naturally reproducing population on one square mile or less...isn't it? One small step...
 
I finally read this, and I'm afraid you're sorely mistaken as I don't believe we agree on a single thing.

We don't agree on anything? You sure?? So you're taking people from all over the world to shoot grizzly bears for free?? Thought you charge 40k per head? No wonder you want more bears. Beats 2k for a steer in a slaughter house. Problem is...the guys that lose the steers and cows to beas/cougars/predation don't see a penny from your 40k outfitting fee.

Some pretty nice rifles you had for sale on EE. I think you have some very generous wealthy clients. I think we both agree you'd like to keep the clientele. $40 draw resident grizzly tags don't do much for wildlife or outfitters. Ain't no disputing this. Like it or not I'm one of the few guys willing and able to invest in wildlife conservation despite being hated on by so many members on this site. You gonna say no to 40k or will you show them the bears so they can pull the trigger?
 
Whatever do you mean, Hoyt? He's got a couple hundred acres...he's willing to pay...an SJW for nature!

Surely it's possible to conserve grizzlies by establishing a naturally reproducing population on one square mile or less...isn't it? One small step...

Why don't you shell out some big cash, buy some land and keep it wild like me? Or would you prefer I clearcut my old growth oak bluffs and mixed hardwoods and plow the meadows to plant in grain? Won't have a single animal living there. Would you prefer this outcome? Seems you are jealous, no?

Get real partner, it's guys that think like me that will have the wildlife on their property when the last national parks are sold to developers and clear cut or plowed to grains. You think I want to share what I worked so hard to protect? You can kick in some cash anytime big guy. Lets turn the property into a 2000 acre wilderness preserve.

Otherwise pay your $5 and visit the bear display on 1 acre at your local zoo.
 
I really shouldn't even engage in discussion with you unchorn, as you've shown yourself to be so set in your misguided thinking I'm not going to change anything. Actually, the reality is a lot less glamorous here, my outfitting operation has still yet to turn a profit and likely won't for at least twenty years over its investment required. I have a day job that's seen me home 11 days in 10 weeks, but one place you're correct is there are benefits in material rather meaningless things from that.

Where we differ is I see Canada's strength in hunting as being wild, and fence free hunting. I would be critically ashamed if Canada had to follow the ranch hunting model and would switch to environmentalist if I sensed that was ever going to be required. Fortunately Canada is the second largest country in the world with one of the smaller populations, and wild hunting has a great future here for resident and outfitter alike. No, you're wrong on the price of a grizzly tag and how it's paid for. That tag for the resident was paid for by income taxes and provincial sales tax, the resident hunter pays his dues and your attack on the residents likely vyes for your most misguided position.
 
Why don't you shell out some big cash, buy some land and keep it wild like me? Or would you prefer I clearcut my old growth oak bluffs and mixed hardwoods and plow the meadows to plant in grain? Won't have a single animal living there. Would you prefer this outcome? Seems you are jealous, no?

Get real partner, it's guys that think like me that will have the wildlife on their property when the last national parks are sold to developers and clear cut or plowed to grains. You think I want to share what I worked so hard to protect? You can kick in some cash anytime big guy. Lets turn the property into a 2000 acre wilderness preserve.

Otherwise pay your $5 and visit the bear display on 1 acre at your local zoo.

Like many others on here, I do own my own small spread, and I don't farm it. Nothing against farmers, although where you get the idea that I am suggesting you cultivate your land is a mystery. I bought mine to enjoy, to shoot and hunt, and yes, to act as my own little chunk of wildlife habitat. I've fenced it...by which I mean that it is enclosed in a low fence that delineates it and serves to exclude people who have some sense of the meaning of private property. It isn't a game fence, which is a construct that essentially serves to remove all the enclosed property from the environment. Your high-fenced chunk might as well be burned and then salted; you are isolating it and the creatures inhabiting it from the greater ecosystem. Might as well just kill them now, they contribute nothing to the conservation of their respective species. Pay to see the bears at the local zoo? That's what you are "planning" to build. Oh, wait, I'm sorry...I should say that will be the case if you succeed in conning some poor fool into paying for and erecting the fence, as your highly entertaining EE ad suggests. Until then, you're just spouting hot air.

"Get real"??? Generally speaking, any thread you enter moves further and further from reality with every word you post. I'm done here; come on back with your final word, give us all a laugh, explain how you are God's gift to nature, educate Angus because you know so much more than he does, and then go about your business as you see fit. I think there's a sale on Purina Grizzly Chow at the co-op...maybe you can find an "investor" to help you grab a truckload or two...
 
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