Felt recoil??

Perceived recoil takes in so many factors that it is hard to quantify. Stock design, rifle weight, muzzle velocity and energy, quality of recoil pad and on and on and on..........However as the cartridge and caliber grows, so does the recoil impulse.......it's called physics. One's tolerance to the physics of this equation is directly dependent on the number of times and number of center fire rifles and cartridges one has shot up to this point. If one has only ever shot a .22 rimfire and is handed an 8 lb 30-06 with stout 180 gn loads they will most certainly be surprised and may find it particularly unpleasant. On the other hand, an experienced shooter of rifles and cartridges up to the 338 WM, when handed a 8-9 lb 375 H&H will likely have no negative response at all. After a couple months with the 375 and a few hundred rounds, if handed a 10 lb 416 Rigby will likely get the same response.........that's not bad, and so on up the scale.
My son shoots a 300 RUM a lot and also has a 375 Ruger which he loads to it's full potential, so when I handed him my Merkel .470 NE, at the range one afternoon, he fired one barrel, looked at me and smiled and then fired the second. Many people tried my 450 Ackley loaded with 500 gn Hornady softs or solids to 2550 fps, no one ever said "that's not too bad" and very, very few ever asked for a second chance at it. It was built on a Brno 602 in a custom walnut stock with almost no drop and an oversize butt cross section to help with the recoil dispersion, it also had the thickest recoil pad available, designed especially for heavy recoil..........and it was still ugly, even at 10+ lbs. It would remove your muffs and shooting glasses with every round, but I still managed several 3,4+5 shot sub moa groups with it. I don't know really how good it would shoot, but it would consistently make one ragged hole at 100 mtrs regardless of the number of rounds one sent down range. But it took all the concentration I could manage to shoot 5 rounds from the bench to develop loads and set the scope. I did learn that a small sand bag between the butt and my shoulder helped immensely from the bench. Offhand it was all rock and roll and not TOO bad for a few rounds. Not a rifle that one would ever worry about wearing out !!! I'm pretty sure retinas and rotator cuffs would give out before the throat on that girl. Point being that every factor regarding heavy recoil was positively addressed on that rifle, weight, stock design, recoil pad and it was still an ugly brute. I cannot imagine this cartridge in an under designed rifle, it may well be dangerous to fire.
Recoil is many different things to many different people and it can all be overcome through exposure........to a point. If you wish to desensitize yourself all it takes is a good rifle, in an appropriate cartridge and lots of practice. If you are never going to hunt outside NA then desensitization at a 458 Lott level is exclusively a personal desire, however if one wishes to hunt the biggest and most dangerous animals on the planet, then it is pretty much a necessity.
 
We have a "felt recoil" table that we use at work when the question gets asked about how does this kick compared to (usually a known caliber).

It's just a chart that was put together, so don't have all the "math" that went with it but can post what we have:

A 375 Ruger, shooting a 270 grain bullet @ 2840 fps at the muzzle - rifle weighing 9 pounds produces 41.3 lbs of free recoil moving back into your shoulder at 17.1 feet per second.

In comparison, a 375 H&H, likewise shooting a 270 grain bullet @ 2690 fps - rifle also weighing 9 pounds produces 36.1 lbs travelling at 16.1 fps. Same rifle loaded with a 300 grain bullet @ 2530 fps produces 37.3 lbs @ 16.3 fps.

And just to throw in one more "375" - a 10 lb Weatherby (375 Wby Mag) shooting a 300 grain bullet @ 2700 fps makes 47.3 lbs of recoil coming at you at 17.5 fps.

So the Ruger because of weight (and the caliber itself) should kick you a little more than the H&H, but less than a 375 Wby (the 375 Rug has very similar numbers to a 340 Wby).
 
This thread reminded me of a story in Cartridges of the World, 11th Ed. (p.224)

Around 1960, Fred Barnes (of Barnes Bullet fame) built himself a 475 A&M-chambered rifle, based on a sporterized Enfield action. With its open sights that rifle weighed no more than 8 pounds. Being Fred Barnes, his initial handloading effort combined stiff charges of IMR 3031 behind his 600-grain bullets***. He, friends, and a small group of well-wishers went to an informal shooting range near Grand Junction, Colo. Fred sat down on the pea gravel of the parking area and crossed his legs to fire from the sitting position. He took dead aim at the base of a small juniper tree, which was tenuously hanging on at the top edge of a roadway cutbank.

When Fred pulled the trigger, everyone was watching for the impact. The shot went low. The tree was summarily uprooted! All watchers cheered as the tree fell, then, as a group, they looked around to find what Barnes' reaction might be. There he was, located several feet behind his original position, lying on his back, arms outstretched, holding the rifle above his head. Dust from the muzzle blast and his ignoble recoil-induced slide (he had absorbed well over 110 foot-pounds of energy) was still stirring when Fred asked, matter-of-factly, "Anybody want to buy a rifle?" He found no takers.


*** 600 SP | 105 gr. of 3031 | 2502 fps | 8340 FPE

 
In an attempt to add some perspective, I could hold my .416 Rigby (350gr bullet at 2850) for 3 rounds from prone, and I always found the 4th unpleasant, my .375 Ultra I can easily hold slung up prone for 5.

My advise is never to shoot strings long enough to hurt you. When you cannot concentrate on the mechanics of the shot, without the thought of recoil distracting you, its time for a break. Shoot your .375s, frequently, but not excessively.
 
Guess I'm the guy that does it dumb. I shoot prone with a front bag to work up loads. Even 500 gr loads from my 458wm. I feel it but I do my best shooting prone
 
I do the load work-up from a Caldwell front and rear bag the same as anything else. The only difference in form is that I now move my left hand to the forend and front rest at the last moment and wrap 1 finger over the barrel; it saves a lot of near misses and scope grazes which is decidedly easily on the nerves. I don't care much how hard a rifle hits me on the shoulder but don't like getting hit with a scope at all.

The purpose of the big bores is to hit the biggest critters as hard as possible with what you believe to be the best bullet, and all this is done at very close range. In many cases it doesn't need much more than finding maximum, and confirming velocity which can be done at the same time.
 
Recoil numbers are just that...numbers. I have a little .308 Remington Model 7 Stainless with the factory synthetic stock. That gun hammers me with way more recoil than my Marlin 1895 SBL with the nice Pachmyer Decelerator pad on it. Run the numbers and that Marlin should be hitting me with 2x the recoil of the 308, but in reality it feels the other way around. Stock design, recoil pad and I believe recoil velocity all contribute.
 
Lead sled without all the sandbags helps.
There is no reason to get all beat up at the range.
Load development for big recoilers is usually much quicker for me anyways. Shoots under an inch and a half and sighted in two inches high at one hundred. Good to go.
Youre not shooting gophers with these things. Tell everyone its under one moa, if they doubt you, hand them the gun and three shells!
 
The only way one can completely overcome reacting before hand to recoil (flinching) is to concentrate 100% completely on ones cross hairs, target and trigger control. This is much easier when shooting game than on the bench, but the same rules apply. I have said many times that I have never heard nor felt my rifle go off when shooting at game, regardless of cartridge or caliber.
I have also read articles from some experts who say you learn nothing from shooting heavies from a bench, off bags. I must vehemently disagree with statement, you learn exactly the same thing about a heavy as you would about a 243. One must know where the bullet strikes relative to the aiming point and whether the rifle puts all it's bullets into a reasonable group. I suspect the writer of the piece was somewhat recoil shy, and quite possibly HE could learn nothing by shooting a heavy from bags.

Here's a photo of my last session with a heavy (470 NE) off bags............this is at 50 mtrs, where this rifle was designed to be shot.



This was shot after 10 rounds of getting it on paper and then centered. The scope was removed and replaced between each pair of shots...........Did I learn anything from this exercise? I feel I most definitely did, and I have no idea how one would go about testing such things with out the aid of a bench and bags.
 
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Today I sighted in the CZ 375 with top end hunting loads. Got the rifle a bit higher on the bench and rt elbow down a bit for a better pocket. More comfortable and still accurate. It's fine@100, but max mag of 5 feels a bit limiting on a rifle that shoots as flat as a 30 caliber 150gr@3000fps. Next house with enough property to shoot on I'll build a "standing bench" too make load development simple.
 
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