Looking for an RPAL holder with Glock 17 Gen 4 in his possession to help me with the final testing of an invention that I have been working on for almost a year now. It is perfectly legal, it could potentially save countless police officers' lives...So far dryfire tests have been very promising achieving 100% reliability, need to live fire test it so I can go ahead with the patenting. I have videos that I will post on youtube that show everything from the start. I live in the Lower Mainland so it has to be someone from here. We will have to go to the range and live-fire test it. There will be no changes to the Glock, just swapping the housing with the trigger group. Shoot me a PM if you are willing and able, will work around your schedule.
Final stages on an invention for Glock 17 Gen 4
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themachinist
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How is it that you have invented a new trigger housing for a glock 17 gen 4 but somehow do not own that pistol itself?
I had this idea (and many others) for a long time, just never got around to making it real, I do not have RPAL and did not invent a "new trigger housing" just worked with an existing one. I ordered a couple of housings with the trigger bars and worked with that. Then I ordered an air Glock 17 and fitted the original housing in it and it worked.
I wouldn’t recommend posting videos or photos anywhere until you have filed your patent. Also, the patent is typically country specific, so you likely want to file it in the countries of manufacture. Recommend speaking with a good patent lawyer before you share anything on social media. If you feel it is legit, then also should have anyone you show your design to, sign a letter of non-disclosure and non-compete. The other route to consider once you have a patent is a licensing agreement, rather than producing yourself. Sucks when people steel your concepts. Good luck with your venture.
Good advice! I was thinking something along the same lines too. Do a patent for NA and EU, we know for sure that the Chinese are going to steal it but what can you do there? Basically nothing. But, I can't really go ahead and talk to a lawyer if I haven't tested it fully (since actual lives are at stake) with rapid-fire, maybe a mag dump to see if it will hold true.
At very least have anyone you show or share the concept with sign the non-disclosure letter and keep the videos and photos to yourself until your patent(s) are approved. The process is not cheap, especially when there are multiple countries required and can take several years. It can requires deep pockets and is not without risk. “Necessity is the mother of invention“
All the best.
All the best.
Yes, I was contemplating releasing it out there because:
1. I want to save human lives and almost every year a police officer or two (in the US) is killed in the line of duty with his own gun.
2. It will take years until my patent is protected and this goes against point 1.
On the downside, I am just a small inventor not a big CORP with deep pockets that can fight court battles for patent infringement. This video from Goerg Sprave is eye-opening:
PS. Also, I went through the process before (had an electrical toothbrush with an integrated in-the-body toothpaste idea). Man, I tell you, I just wasted my money, and halfway through it, I run out of funds...But yes, a non-disclosure letter is a good idea for at least until I get it out there.
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Interesting. Glock was developed as a "perfection by design" and yet went through 5 generations of improvement within few decades. Lots of aftermarket parts supposed to make it even better. I thought there is nothing much else to reinvent the bike. I guess it is something to do with safety mechanism, since Glock safety was the most debatable controversy topic for the whole lifetime of this pistol.
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Those revisions between gen 1 and 5 were so minimal. Adding finger grooves.. removing finger grooves.. adding ambi slide stops for those who shoot left handed.
On the issue of officers being fired at with their own pistol, the technology in question likely has something to do with fingerprint tech.
On the issue of officers being fired at with their own pistol, the technology in question likely has something to do with fingerprint tech.
Nah, That tech is out already, I despise these technologies, they can only lead to loss of life instead of saving it. Just try to open your iPhone with a greasy finger, or a wet finger, or like me working with tiles I got no print, as they are all worn off! Or Sleepy Joe proposed "smart guns" with a blue tooth device, well a blue tooth can be hacked or the Guvmint can press the "cancel" button. I did a research and did not find anything remotely similar.
Fingerprint reader on the Glock? I believe the most common case of accidental discharge is unholstering while mistakenly keeping finger on the trigger. There might be a smartness added to determine the gun is still being pulled from the holster. Not that difficult to implement that.
Police officers always load their guns when they go out on duty, sometimes there is no time to load, they know (and the assailant knows) that their gun is always loaded so there is no need to add anything there. And yet sometimes they can be murdered by the same gun they have carried for years... https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2018/tables/table-19.xls
I have two comments as a longtime Glock owner and as someone who has two US patents.
1. Unless you have tens of thousands of dollars to defend your patent in court, a patent is not only worthless, but it is an expensive piece of paper that actually gives away all your secrets. My two patents cost approx $5000 each and for my $10,000 investment I have gained no benefit except to have my name added to the ranks of people who have made such inventions. Save your money, don't bother w a patent.
2. IMO screwing with the Glock trigger is a solution looking for a problem. There is nothing wrong with the Glock trigger as it was originally designed. It is perfectly safe and prevents the gun from firing until the trigger is pulled. The problem w people killing themselves accidentally is a training and attention problem, not a mechanical deficiency with the trigger. Keep in mind that not only does your device have to work 100% of the time, it can also NEVER EVER fail in a manner that would prevent the gun from firing. And these two things have to remain true over tens of thousands of trigger pulls, decades of use and a lack of cleaning or maintenance. THIS is a TALL order for any trigger.
1. Unless you have tens of thousands of dollars to defend your patent in court, a patent is not only worthless, but it is an expensive piece of paper that actually gives away all your secrets. My two patents cost approx $5000 each and for my $10,000 investment I have gained no benefit except to have my name added to the ranks of people who have made such inventions. Save your money, don't bother w a patent.
2. IMO screwing with the Glock trigger is a solution looking for a problem. There is nothing wrong with the Glock trigger as it was originally designed. It is perfectly safe and prevents the gun from firing until the trigger is pulled. The problem w people killing themselves accidentally is a training and attention problem, not a mechanical deficiency with the trigger. Keep in mind that not only does your device have to work 100% of the time, it can also NEVER EVER fail in a manner that would prevent the gun from firing. And these two things have to remain true over tens of thousands of trigger pulls, decades of use and a lack of cleaning or maintenance. THIS is a TALL order for any trigger.
With Glocks it seems to be holstering with finger on trigger. The holster pushes the finger back onto the trigger, setting the gun off unintentionally.
Ok, so what seems to be the solution here? Should I just file a Provisional Patent Application, then release it on youtube to generate some income that way? To be honest, the real use of it is not that big, it would benefit only Open Carry people, which is limited here to LE only and LE around the world plus some states that allow OC. So I don't see huge profit materializing in my pockets, just want to see some money so I can continue with other inventions...
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Forget the patent process completely. Just make your product and put it up for sale or sell the idea to a manufacturer.
KAC doesn't patent any of their stuff cause Reid Knight understands the patent office will just give away all his secrets when they publish the patent online.
I did one patent with a generic patent lawyer and that was a terrible experience. They dumped a bunch of wikipedia crap into it and then charged me thousands for it. They added stuff that made no sense at all, because in the end they didn't understand the item being patented and its limitations.
Oh then there is the fact that USPTO issued a patent (after mine) that violated my patent. Like WTF?
Then USPTO issued some dickhead a patent which was a ripoff of mine, but the guy did it as a 3D printed item. Which meant he could rip off my idea as long as he 3D printed the thing but I couldn't 3D print my own idea because someone else had a patent on it. Colour me PISSED OFF to the max at that development. And so never again will I bother to patent anything. Its a waste and a rip-off and worthless unless you have the money to defend it in court.
take dated photos of all your design and concept materials. Use a newspaper in the photos that clearly shows the date of issue.
Sign and date every photo and put them in a sturdy envelope and mail them to yourself via registered mail.
Then when the envelope arrives, do not open it, store it in a safe place such as a safety desposit box.
Should you ever need to prove the design concept is yours, you have a sealed envelope full of evidence to support that.
I agree patents are useless BUT the non disclosure documents should be considered for anyone who you share the idea with.... even your best friend.
As someone who has had two of my creations ripped off by someone who pretended to be my friend to gain my trust and steal my work (loser Larry/aka Lazerus2000.... or as I call him Lies r us 2000) and went on to get hired as a consultant by the company who ended up making and successfully marketting those products..... it can happen to anyone and it can happen to you.
So don't post jack sh!t on any social media platforms.... even this one...... and protect your work right up to the day it becomes an actual product in the marketplace.
Sign and date every photo and put them in a sturdy envelope and mail them to yourself via registered mail.
Then when the envelope arrives, do not open it, store it in a safe place such as a safety desposit box.
Should you ever need to prove the design concept is yours, you have a sealed envelope full of evidence to support that.
I agree patents are useless BUT the non disclosure documents should be considered for anyone who you share the idea with.... even your best friend.
As someone who has had two of my creations ripped off by someone who pretended to be my friend to gain my trust and steal my work (loser Larry/aka Lazerus2000.... or as I call him Lies r us 2000) and went on to get hired as a consultant by the company who ended up making and successfully marketting those products..... it can happen to anyone and it can happen to you.
So don't post jack sh!t on any social media platforms.... even this one...... and protect your work right up to the day it becomes an actual product in the marketplace.
I am very sorry to hear that. Good advice tho! Just want to add that a non-disclosure agreement is not an ironclad agreement IMHO because it's still done in good fate, because what is stopping the guy (if he is not stealing the idea himself) from telling others of the idea so they can develop it and give him some "kickback" later? I guess it all comes down to the person you are dealing with...
From what I read on the net, a good lawyer is a must but they cost tons of money. I made the prototype and it works but I can not make myself and put it up for sale because there will be real lives at stake and if something happens cannot afford the lawsuit, the best bet is if Glock picks it up and start producing it commercially...
The most frustrating part is that here in Canada there is so much "red tape" about guns in general. If I was living in the US, I would buy a gun myself and test it right away. Sure I got an offer from a member here to help me out but he is waiting on his Glock to arrive. Thank you Sir, I do not want to put your name here without your permission. But, I have been waiting for at least 3-4 months just to fire the damn thing and see if it actually works! We will meet at the range, I do not want to touch your gun, you will swap the parts and you will fire it, that's it. Simple! And this is one of my simplest inventions! Shyt like this makes me wana move out of here...
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