I usually wear gloves at calls and I always wear them when shooting quals and on courses. I figure if I'm going to get in a shooting I'll have gloves on so may as well practice with them. But I never wear a ring or anything else I could imagine holding a magnet. Rings interfere with tight gloves. Can't wear, nor would I want to wear gloves all the time. Or a ring, or whatever on my hands.
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I usually wear gloves at calls and I always wear them when shooting quals and on courses. I figure if I'm going to get in a shooting I'll have gloves on so may as well practice with them. But I never wear a ring or anything else I could imagine holding a magnet. Rings interfere with tight gloves. Can't wear, nor would I want to wear gloves all the time. Or a ring, or whatever on my hands.
Thank you copeland for the kind words.
..well, if out of 900,000+ LEO in USA, & only on average 2 per year this situation has occurred, I mean, the #'s {or lack of} speak for themselves, it's a moot issue.
Thousands of people have been killed, by LEO's & LEO's themselves in crashes via these high-speed pursuits over the years, and yet the practice continues. High Speed pursuits, now there's some lives to save. Just as an example. A1 for Effort, but I think you'd be benefitted, by using your efforts & creativity, on another project. Like your Dog Grooming ideasCheerz !
Ahhh, you liked that one eh? It's good to hear something positive...
Thank you for your input on the matter Jon. With all due respect, I would like to point out that many years ago bulletproof vests were not a standard issue for the police force too. Why do you wear one? Because it MIGHT save your life right? Indeed, vests have saved countless lives over the years and there is no argument against this. Fast-forward to today, the world is turning into ####, bad times are coming.
We all saw how the riot police line was overwhelmed by the mob in Bangladesh. Those are the cases when the police officer is truly helpless when he is separated from the rest and surrounded by angry people from all sides. Even in this case you are not allowed to shoot to kill without provocation. But when you are in the press it is too late for that and you don't want to start shooting around carelessly still. It is easy to imagine that you can lose your gun to an angry protester. If this device works 100% wouldn't you want every officer to have it there? It just might make the difference between life or death.
Now I don't imagine that this can happen here because people in Canada are a bit more "docile" than their European counterparts but you never know.
Gizmos on my duty gun? No thanks. Money spent by depts on this would be much better spent on training, especially weapons retention. And while it is best pratice to wear gloves to calls it does not always happen.
The other issue with this is the slippery slope you go down with "smart guns". Soon law makers would want all guns to be "smart guns". Look at the Forgotten Weapons video on the Armatix, a perfect example.
Your intentions may be good, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
The other issue with this is the slippery slope you go down with "smart guns". Soon law makers would want all guns to be "smart guns". Look at the Forgotten Weapons video on the Armatix, a perfect example.
Your intentions may be good, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I do mention this in my first video...there are no similarities between the two except the use of magnetic force. Second episode
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I know alot of LEO. Alot of them wear silicone rings, as there are many that nearly lost a finger in a fight when their wedding band got caught. So sadly I don't think it's a solution to a problem.
Also magnets are brittle and smash easy.
The problem is you can never know when you'll need your sidearm. A person wear gloves their whole shift for varying reasons, and any ring like object would interfere under a glove. It's one of the several reasons I don't wear a wedding ring at work. This is one of those great in theory ideas, but it comes down to not practical in real life.
A vest is a whole other issue. It's a passive piece of equipment and has other uses such as holding useful items off the belt, or into a more convenient place.
If you're one officer in an angry mob, the last thing I'd worry about is being shot with my own gun. Hell, that may be the most merciful thing that could happen to you in that case.
Some years ago, there was a system promoted which involved a magnet ring being used to enable/disable a firearm. Ring had to be worn to unlock the pistol's mechanism. One aspect of the system was that the polarity of the magnets used would be varied. One polarity for law enforcement, one for civil use. Idea was a pistol would be useless without an enabling magnet, and a civil ring would not allow a law enforcement firearm to be discharged.
On Forgotten Weapons recently, there was a video of a very unsuccessful pistol which could only be activated by proximity to a smart watch - and only when the user had used the smart watch to unlock the pistol.
On Forgotten Weapons recently, there was a video of a very unsuccessful pistol which could only be activated by proximity to a smart watch - and only when the user had used the smart watch to unlock the pistol.
Great innovative idea but would not be financially viable due to a New Jersey law that once dealers start selling smart guns only smart guns can be sold, and the 2a community in the USA would boycott any manufacturer or dealer that would import such technology. Ian has a great video on the Armatix iP1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn08yZAC2V0
Its 2022 so I am sure there is some technology out there that could incorperate the magnetic ability into the actual fabric or threading in the finger tip. Something along the lines of some gloves I have that have a conductive thread used in the finger tips, to be able to use touch screens with gloves on. Its the be ready all the time, and seconds can save lives cenerio I think about. I have seen many police involved shooting videos, and a large percentage the police officers are not wearing gloves, either by choice or just lack or time/notice to prepare for an acctive shooter or any deadly weapon attack.
I would never do it, but there is also the idea of an implant in you finger. You could shoot your sidearm and make Debit purchases with that finger LOL
Absolutely. But let's take the RCMP for example as I'm most familiar with them. Even something like gloves have to go through a procurement process. The current search/slash gloves we are issued have a replacement cost of 50$, after only upgrading to Hatch brand in the last few years. Gloves with specialized magnetic fingers are going to be expensive, and would require extensive testing. And with procurement methods it has to be an offered contract with certain requirements. Even if this glove company was the only one that could meet that requirement, every other company would be filing court papers to prevent it or argue it before you could blink. Can't request something so specific that only one company could meet it.
Welcome to government agencies.
And even if that wasn't an issue, everyone's hands are different, for example, between let's call it a birth defect and damage to one of my fingers, I can't fit my right hand, strong pistol hand, in one of the issued slash gloves. My pinky on my right hand bends about 60 degrees from straight past the middle knuckle whatever that's called. We have girls with tiny hands, guy with enormous sausage fingers, everything in between. If you found 10 mounties right now you'd find about 8 different kinds of gloves between them.
Not to mention looking for a firearm company that will produce such a safety. I haven't done any research, but carrying every day I feel far more comfortable with no safety but my brain and finger, and I'd bet it's been found to be safer for police not to have a safety anyway.
Don't get me wrong although I think it is technically possible, I also think it's a bad idea in real life. I wouldn't want it as a requirement if I was a LEO, I don't even like wearing gloves to shoot for fun, IDPA, black badge, low light pistol course I did etc. I dont even like wearing gloves when I do mechanical work, I don't like wearing rings, and I have never worn a wrist watch in my life. Just can't help myself, Im a mechanical guy so even if I think something is not a good idea I'll still add my 2 cents on how it could be technically possible.
If I was in the LEO business, or even if I lived in a conceal carry state, I would most likely carry a standard Glock chambered and ready to go!
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And he brought up about it being effective in revolvers, but the trigger mech in a revolver is nearly sealed. Unlike a semi auto.
You would need it in every finger and both gloves. In case the officer breaks his finger, or gets shot in his dominate hand, and has to switch to his weak hand.
But to the OP how many people saved officers, with their guns? They get caught in a struggle, drops their gun, someone witness it and takes the gun and shoots the attacker, this saving the officers life.
I think the OP is referring to a member's gun being taken and used against them, which is a very real thing.
There is a gun at every call you go to.
Last time I looked into it, I found a 'Study' that said on average 2 Officers per year. are killed by their own weapon. {900K Police Officers in USA} if that one is the latest, could make sense, as Firearm Safety & training & equipment does improve. I may be wrong, as I could not find that one atm.
Doing a search now, I can only find older FBI stats: 1994 to 2003, 54 Officers were killed with their own weapon. I don't think that includes Suicide. That is 6 per year, during that timeframe.
Then, in the article below, it says that 10 LEO's were killed {last year?} via their own firearm. Seems to fluxuate some, between stats/studies.
Here's the article, that talks about that & about what Northern is looking at doing -
https://www.gothamgazette.com/index.php/archives/2555-police-killed-with-their-own-guns
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A cop buddy said it's a solution to a problem that doesnt really exists. Plus alot of officers grab for the carbine. If you put it on their service pistol, you need one on their carbine or shotgun.
Also how many of those officers that were killed by their own service pistols had Glocks? Also have you tried with A NY1 or NY2 trigger.
My buddy been in 4 departments, none used Glocks.
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