Finally got a lathe

vibration is a big one as well. doesn't take much before they start to splinter.

Aye.

A decent negative rake insert can be got in a carbide formulation that will withstand an interrupted cut OK, but brazed carbide (crap!) and most of the cheap Chinese stuff isn't that.

A fella should learn to use both carbide and HSS tooling. Never backed into a corner that way.

Cheers
Trev
 
i learned in tool and die to adjust your HSS tooling to work with the job you are doing. if it vibrates change it. i can get better finishes with HSS than carbide most days. problem with where i worked they didnt have coolant to flush the part. so carbide was just easier without getting drenched in oil.
 
trevj is right about the lathe the OP has being cheaper.

It isn't necessarily a poorer lathe than the more expensive "Quick Change Gearbox" type. Both have their merits.

OP, your lathe is a "Back Gear" model and in truth, is the design that preceded the "Quick Change" models.


If and when you get used to it, you can do anything with it that can be done with a newer integrated design. The only thing is, it will take a lot longer, depending on what your are trying to do.

I have a similar, though older lathe that I use, as well as a quick change lathe. The Quick Change uses wears the 4 jaw chuck, with a turret tool post holder and the Back Gear wears the 3 jaw chuck with the "Aloris" tool post holder.

One is used for serious close work and the other is used for work where pieces are being turned out of stock and centered as they are made.

This is a good system for my needs, and works well for me.

OP, your lathe will do anything you want it to do, as long as you aren't worried about time. Old man Kalashnikov, made up his first AK on a small Back Gear lathe, belt driven and all pieces, were turned between centers with a dog leg to hold the part being machined or a face plate with clamps. Your lathe, is a few steps beyond what he used.

Enjoy it for what it is and learn. Lots of videos on operating lathes on the internet.
 
OP, your lathe is a "Back Gear" model and in truth, is the design that preceded the "Quick Change" models.

His lathe is not a full change gear lathe, or is it a lathe with a full quick change gear box, it is somewhere in between. For instance, with the 60, 120, 60 combination gears in place, he can cut 4, 8, 16, 32, 5, 10, 20, 40 TPI by just moving the leavers/knobs to different positions.
In any case, for hobby use, this is an excellent lathe.
 
Thanks for all the input guys, yeah, its a Chinese lathe, not the cheapest but by far not the most expensive. I don't mind having to change the gears once in awhile, it does not appear that hard to do. For the amount I will be using it I just could not justify spending 10K +, I have been watching kijiji alberta for the last 3 years and nothing decent has came up. The extra time is not a concern for me, it's a hobby lathe and maybe someday I'll have a little shop or something. Never had a fancy machine or machinist background so I guess I don't know what I'm missing on the more expensive lathes. Today got her set and leveled and familiarized myself with it and practiced dialing different objects with the 4 jaw, took about an hr to figure that out. Tomorrow it gets wired up, then I'll be able to play!
 
Dude that lathe is perfect for a hobby lathe, your not running a machine shop so you don't need anything fancier then what you have,
Just play with it. Don't expect too be a master in a few weekends, takes time too learn how to cut steel. Threading is an art in itself , but not that hard, read and watch videos
 
Don't be too worried about levelling it, you won't ever notice a difference, just make sure all adjustment screws are snug too the floor
 
Best of luck with the new Lathe! but be prepared to be ignored if you have a problem.

I work for an oilfield pipe threading company we have 2 lathes that we bought form Modern Tool in Calgary. The sale person promised us the moon when it came to support and service but when the time came we had to go through hoops to get anything done. The keep very few parts in stock! If they have to order your part from Taiwan be prepared to wait atleast 6 weeks.
 
Best of luck with the new Lathe! but be prepared to be ignored if you have a problem.

I work for an oilfield pipe threading company we have 2 lathes that we bought form Modern Tool in Calgary. The sale person promised us the moon when it came to support and service but when the time came we had to go through hoops to get anything done. The keep very few parts in stock! If they have to order your part from Taiwan be prepared to wait atleast 6 weeks.

Your alternatives are much more expensive. Depending on what you got, you either live without parts altogether, or you scrounge for used ones. Or hav them custom made ($$$$)

Other than fairly current CNC stuff, 'parts in stock' is the exception rather than the rule. The few places that do have parts for old machines often enough charge rates even Government buyers twitch at, eh. :)

Cheers
Trev
 
There is very little use for the carbide tooling. The vast majority of general gun related lathe work is better served with HSS and a rocker tool holder.
 
There is very little use for the carbide tooling. The vast majority of general gun related lathe work is better served with HSS and a rocker tool holder.

Rocker tool holders are cheap and partly functional, but for the most part, they are one of the primary causes of non-reproducible results. Especially, in the hands of the inexperienced.

IMO, any quick change tool post is better.

I have used a lantern tool post, aka rocker type, too. Using one after having used a QCTP, is painful.

Carbide tools are useful enough, if one chooses wisely. Like pre-ground HSS inserts (and QCTP systems, for that matter), they offer convenience, rather than fill an absolute need.

Cheers
Trev
 
There is very little use for the carbide tooling. The vast majority of general gun related lathe work is better served with HSS and a rocker tool holder.

This has certainly proven to be true for me as well. The times I've used carbide tipped tools I found that they were incredibly specific on the nature of the metal that they work well with. Most of the time I get a far inferior finish to what I get from HSS tools that are decently sharpened. And at BEST when the tip is the right one for the material the finish will match what I can get from HSS tools.

There's the odd time where carbide is very much the answer though. Some grades of cast iron act on HSS like they are grinding wheels. For those cases carbide is the only answer. But the for the lion's share of the time HSS proves to be economical and effective.
 
There is very little use for the carbide tooling. The vast majority of general gun related lathe work is better served with HSS and a rocker tool holder.

Only if the lathe is set up for coolant. the lathe we had at the gunsmith i worked at the lathe wasn't set up for it. and without coolant HSS is not much good. Carbide is much more forgiving without coolant.

BCrider: finish is all a matter of getting the right feed and speed for the metal and cutter. problem being a lot of lathes aren't cape able of the exact feeds and speeds to get the good finish. im guessing the high speeds on your lathes the rpm jumps by 500 to 1000rpm per switch. the correct rpm may be in between those numbers. and feeds are about the same. on a CNC lathe you can match them quite nicely. where i worked they did steel titanium, aluminum etc all with carbide and got very nice finishes, but they have very expensive machines. the avg gunsmith isnt going to spend an arm and a leg on the absolute top quality engine lathe.
 
Only if the lathe is set up for coolant. the lathe we had at the gunsmith i worked at the lathe wasn't set up for it. and without coolant HSS is not much good. Carbide is much more forgiving without coolant.

Y'see, that there is where our respective experiences vary a lot.

I have had very nice results with HSS without coolant, on several different materials. Carbide too. Depends on the cut conditions, and the material. And the operator.

Coolant makes getting good finishes easier, in a general sense of speaking, though, and I recommend it's use to anyone if it is an option. For both carbide and HSS.

Even brushing a little bit on with a paintbrush can make a huge difference.
Some carbide does not withstand the heat-cold shock cycle of splash coolant very well, working better in a flood. But some does OK with it. Gotta pick and choose the stuff that works.

Sharp edges are generally better on lighter duty lathes, for most materials.

Yadayadayada... :) Gotta speak in generalities. About the main thing a fella's gotta keep in mind is that you gotta be willing to experiment a bit, and try to remember the things that work on your own machine, under the conditions you are cutting at. It varies. A lot. There are no magic speeds and feeds that give good results at all times.
Try to keep in mind that the ones in books like Machinery's Handbook, are designed to make a shop owner the best return on his time and money investment (wages, overhead, invested $$$in tooling and equipment), they are not absolutes. Slow is OK for a lot of one-of jobs!
Running slower, thinking harder, and doing it right the one try you get, is better than wrecking parts really really fast. Most jobs are a lot of careful set-up, followed by some cross checking, then a very quick bit of cutting. Guys that are working repeat, production type work, are under different pressures than the guy that has to get a couple holes drilled and tapped in miserable material or in a high value firearm, or to make a couple screws that cannot be got otherwise.

Cheers
Trev
 
With HSS tooling set in a rocker toolpost and back rake built into the toolbit holder, you can grind up toolbits for all different uses. I have used both, and would recommend playing with the HSS until you have developed enough proficiency to take advantage of the speed and wear resistance offered by carbide. Stellite is a useful compromise, but no good for interrupted cuts or roughing in untrued work.
Bill
 
You got a great machine, for what you are doing, I've machined tons of steel in my career, machining is an art, go practise and enjoy the art of cutting steel, biggest bore I've machined is 108inches in diameter so I know machining, carbide is the best, HHS has it's place too but a rockie will never know the difference, message me if you ever need advice
 
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