Finally - I got a response from the govt as to why AR15s are restricted!

Yes, by all means.. write your MP, explain your issues \ concerns. They are an elected official and will respond, and eventually we may change the classification..

Do nothing.. expect nothing..
 
The gist of my letter is to de- restrict all ARs by trying to capitalize on the latest craze in the US of hunting ARs as a thin wedge...

Whatever letter you use, make sure you hand write the address on the envelope as well as sign the letter.
 
DaveMachine said:
That's exactly the same faulty logic our gun laws are written with. Full auto and mechanical differences aside, can you tell me how the C7 differs from any other .223 NR semi-auto? Care to define what constitutes an AR15 in a hunting or non-hunting role?
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i could have wrote that in a different way. i am in no means a liberal at all, conservative all the way. i mean with certain AR's 7.5/10.5/14.5 inch that are designed in more of a tactical/plinker shooter are designed exactly for that. target shooting am i right? were as the tr-25 is designed for the hunter in mind. i just hate to see us get non restricted AR's and someone blow it with guys blasting off 100's of 223 in the bush somewhere and ppl get hurt. if we were to build this bridge of non restricted AR's , lets not burn it down! but like i said, if all AR's became non restricted, i would still use and support my local range.
 
Tangent...

Honestly, I'd love it if ARs were de-restricted, but their classification isn't the first thing I'd like to see changed. What I find the most irritating as a relatively new gun enthusiast is the PITA combination of OAL restrictions and barrel length restrictions. It makes absolutely zero sense to me.

Presumably, OAL restrictions of 26" are in place to prevent "concealable" weapons from being used freely. Fine, whatever, I could tolerate that. But then what does an 18" barrel have to do with anything? If the OAL has been met, the barrel length should be a non-issue.

Anyway, this topic has been really bugging me today as I try to decide on a new rifle purchase. Sorry for the tangent and cheers for fighting the good fight.
 
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ok.. so they reclassify the AR-15, what about the hundreds of other firearms that are arbitrarily classified as prohibited .. or restricted without reason?

this is not a AR-15 problem..

besides most AR-15s owned by most people would remain restricted even if the AR15 was not restricted by type due to barrel length.

exactly why the DE-RESTRICT the AR-15 "movement" is foolish and wasteful.

Eliminate all "by type" classifications .. and the 18.5 INCH BARREL AR15s become unrestricted along with everything else.
 
westrifle_sks said:
Do you think we should ask why AK 47 is prohib. Those look as scary as CZ858 :)
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Your are right. Bad thing is they may panic and then prohib the CZ858.
Like CanAm said in a previous post, they wanted to prohib the Mini14 back in 1994 (I don't recall the year he mentioned so don't quote me).
 
Holy thread ressurection Batman....

Finally did write to Vic Toews, with a copy to my MP.
I guess I'm not expecting much, but still maintain some hope that common sense might prevail on this issue.
 
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tiriaq said:
When all the other paramilitary rifles were being prohibited, the AR was on the prohibition list as well. It was the intent of the gov't. to prohibit any and all such firearms.
The DCRA made the case that the AR was used for competitive target shooting; so it was restricted, not prohibited. It barely escaped prohibition.

Initially, of course, the AR was just another rifle.
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The irony of course is that the Federal Government was indirectly supporting the civilian use of AR's by supplying PRA's & DCRA with free military issue ammunition and allowing said organizations to have sanctioned competitions on DND ranges.

Kinda hard to argue the "sporting use" litmus test in favour of a prohibition when in fact you're contributing to the sporting use of said firearm.
 
I'm with everyone here and support these initiatives. I do so by being an NFA member and donating money from time to time.

However, writing to your MP is like writing to Santa Claus. you might get a generic letter back from his elves, but do you actually get what you want, hell no.

Ralphie: No! No! I want an Official Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle!
Santa Claus: You'll shoot your eye out, kid.

You know what Santa? Go f**k yourself. :)
 
dquick said:
Ralphie: No! No! I want an Official Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle!
Santa Claus: You'll shoot your eye out, kid.

You know what Santa? Go f**k yourself. :)
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True story? Then what did Santa say?

I think we need to broach the subject politically, but be wary of what the attention may bring. Many of todays firearms would be in a different class, if examined by the standards that led to the prohibition of guns like the fn fal and ak47. Be carefull what you wish for, the prohibition club isn't dead yet, and you better believe the media is on their side.
 
The AR-15 and Mini 14 are both on the to be banned list as soon as the liberals regain power:

On February 21, 2002 a copy of Anne McLellan's letter (see excerpt below)
was faxed to Mr. Gary Webster, CEO of the Canadian Firearms Centre by the
Coalition for Gun Control from DE SANTE PUB. MTL-CENTRES (514) 528-2598.

Justice Minister Anne McLellan's letter dated December 21, 1999 stated:

Dear Ms. Cukier:

"Thank you for your phone call about the Ruger Mini-14. The Government of Canada's commitment to prohibit the Ruger Mini-14 and the Colt AR-15 has not changed. The prohibition of the Ruger Mini-14 could not have occurred before December 1, 1998, when the new legislation came into force. Since that time, my department's focus has been on the implementation of the new firearms licensing and registration system. The system has presented us with some challenges and the Department of Justice is working hard to ensure that system problems are cleared up so that Canadians applying for a firearms licence and registering their firearms are served efficiently.

Once the system is satisfactorily implemented, we will be in a better position to act on the commitment to prohibit the Ruger Mini-14 and the Colt AR-15."
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That post makes no sense.

courtsm3 said:
love the letter, awesome work.

i agree with the hunting use of a AR platform, but what about the argument of plinking/tacitcool use? for me personally, ex military, i believe that kind of shooting belongs on a proper range. i would love to see 30rd mags and possibly suppressors. certain AR's should be reclassified but as for C7's/C8's in a ( non hunting role ) should remain restricted. but the argument could be that even hunting rifles misused can hurt people like a tactical AR. for me personally, rapid target shooting etc etc, i feel more comfortable on a range with a range officer or friend. my personal opinion and at the same time, de-restricted AR would be pretty awesome. targeted hits and murders are not done by our law abiding firearms licence holders.
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dquick said:
I'm with everyone here and support these initiatives. I do so by being an NFA member and donating money from time to time.

However, writing to your MP is like writing to Santa Claus. you might get a generic letter back from his elves, but do you actually get what you want, hell no.

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I disagree. There are metrics used that project, for each letter writer, how many more people actually care about an issue. And as other CGNers have said, it's significant if you as an individual have taken the time to write and send your own letter, rather than simply copying someone else's, or having someone else speak for you.

I'm not comfortable relying on an organization to represent me. Do I know and agree with everything they say? What are their sources of funding? What other interests are they representing? I am a bit cynical about any kind of lobby group.

Our MPs are elected by us and are supposed to work for us. If we don't bother to tell them what we think, what we want changed, well, then they'll listen to the people who DO yell and scream.
 
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AR15 is the fastest growing hunting rifle in North America. We need to educate the politicians, as well as other hunters.
 
greentips said:
AR15 is the fastest growing hunting rifle in North America. We need to educate the politicians, as well as other hunters.
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Thank you!

As you say, we need to speak up and get the message out there.

I really don't think because someone thinks a rifle is 'scary looking' it's a valid reason to restrict or prohibit it, and yet that's what's been happening.
 
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