Finally...Woohoo!! About Time!!

[1963beretta]

So when someone shoots a grouse in a creek bottom, they would need to change out their shots to nontox?

I was a little young when the non-tox rules came out, but I recall there being a mention to a ban of shooting lead within 200m of a body of water in which waterfowl are present. Either way, I'll leave it to someone else to see what happens if caught using lead on cormorants when they clearly share the same habitat as other waterfowl.....

As for steel shot on doves, i dont believe it makes much sense. It apparently has nothing to do with doves being a migratory game bird. Woodcock are migratory game birds as well, as lead shot is allowed to hunt them. Up until 2014, the migratory game bird license clearly stated that lead shot was allowed for hunting woodcock, band-tailed pigeons and mourning doves. I asked a CO why steel shot was mandated for doves and was told his best guess is because doves share the same habitat as some waterfowl if hunting these species over fields. Mandated use of steel eliminates the possibility of hunters claiming to have lead shot in their possession for the use on doves. Whether this is true or not, i cant say. But at that moment it made sense to me as I had two geese, a mallard and three doves in my possession....

 

[bearkilr]

The way I'm reading it, cormorant, like crows and some other migratory birds, aren't protected under the Migratory Birds Convention Act, so use of non-toxic shot isn't mandatory under the law. Ontario could still enforce it though under the province's wildlife act.

https://www.ec.gc.ca/Nature/default.asp?lang=En&n=496E2702-1

 

[Dukester]

As a humorous aside, wasn't ontario concerned that the US coast guard was practicing with their .50's on the lake just south of the border ! lol

 

[M12shooter]

Really....get caught shooting lead shot over water and let me know what a CO says

One can shoot all the lead he or she desires over water...just not while hunting waterfowl. Lead shot is such a political football and little understood. Basically an inert element toxic to birds when ingested and grinding action of gizzard and strong digestive system converts to lead salts which will poison a duck or goose...or barnyard chicken for that matter.

One #6 lead pellet is enough to kill an adult mallard. Diet is important too and ducks fed on corn and other agricultural grains tend to grind lead much more efficiently...to the demise of the bird. lead pellets do pass through the digestive tract at times if diet is more natural like summer time insects and such.

Still,, firing lead shot over wetlands is not a good idea...as with lead fishing gear such as sinkers which are picked up and swallowed by water birds.

 

[Spcamno]

Don't know what is the latest news but from OFAH here:

https://www.ofah.org/issues/cormorants/




Private Member’s Bill 205 died on the table along with all private members’ bills when the Wynne government prorogued the legislature in September of 2016. The Bill proposed to change the FWCA to remove the provincial protection of double-crested cormorants .

Cormorant populations remain high in Ontario and continue to spread inland stripping island ecosystems, de-valuing property and depleting natural resources. April marks the migration of double-crested cormorants back to Ontario, and another season of overabundant wildlife challenges. The OFAH is working to remove the unnecessary provincial protection of these birds under the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act. The OFAH has been advocating for better cormorant control for well over a decade

 

[Spcamno]

Unfortunately just confirmed the bill is dead:

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/sudbury/cormorants-protection-bill-1.3803118


Corrections

At the time CBC conducted this interview, Bill 205 had already been killed as a result of the prorogation of the Ontario legislature. The bill was not working its way through the Ontario legislature as CBC reported. A spokesperson in Sarnia-Lambton MPP Bob Bailey's office says there are no plans to reintroduce the bill.
Oct 20, 2016 12:25 PM ET

 

[Arclight]

As a humorous aside, wasn't ontario concerned that the US coast guard was practicing with their .50's on the lake just south of the border ! lol

I think that was due to a old treaty after the war of 1812 that prohibited armed ships in to the Great Lakes without both countries approval.

 

[Dukester]

I think that was due to a old treaty after the war of 1812 that prohibited armed ships in to the Great Lakes without both countries approval.

This is the one I was thinking of. At the time I remember folks on the hunting and boating forums supporting their use of cormorants as targets ! lol

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/us-suspends-gun-drills-on-great-lakes/article970115/

I loved this line from over 10 years ago " The Coast Guard believes it needs the weaponry to deter terrorists trying to enter the United States from Canada." Well now ain't that the pot calling the kettle black these days.

 

[Rick B]

So is this bill dead ?

 

[the spank]

Unfortunately just confirmed the bill is dead:

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/sudbury/cormorants-protection-bill-1.3803118


Corrections

At the time CBC conducted this interview, Bill 205 had already been killed as a result of the prorogation of the Ontario legislature. The bill was not working its way through the Ontario legislature as CBC reported. A spokesperson in Sarnia-Lambton MPP Bob Bailey's office says there are no plans to reintroduce the bill.
Oct 20, 2016 12:25 PM ET

Frigging Wynne gov't.....

 

[1duckslayer]

This bill was "dead" 6 months before this thread was even started..................

 

[freezer filler]

Aw shucks! was soooo looking forward to this!