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My head hurts with all the possibilities - rewelded chunks, torch cut, machined, bore blocked, magazine welded, ...

My concern is that the poster has an incompletly "deactivated" full auto. I cited the example of a well-known and well-liked collector who tried to do the right thing, except with a firing full auto. The choice is clear. Choose your own destiny.
 
NFA001 said:
It's not that simple.

In order for any registered firearm to be deactivated, the process requires the approval of the registering authority.

Failure to notify the registering authority of the deactivation and classification change is an offense.

If this DEWAT ever came to the attention of law enforcement, they would run the serial number against those in the registry.

If the serial number came up as a live gun registered to another individual, both parties would have a lot of explaining to do, and would probably face charges.

Many MG's came into Canada over the years. In order for them to be legal for sale, they either had to have been deactivated by the importer, or registered with the RCMP.

If the serial number for this DEWAT is not in the firearms registry as ever being a registered live FA gun, then it was never a firearm for purposes of sale or transfer in Canada. It should be a non issue.

As I stated before, if it did come up there would be an investigation.

The gun has to be approved as deactivated by the registering authority before it can be declared a "non gun" and removed from the registry.
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Interesting yet scary, unfortunetly

now the fact if the gun came up as licensed to another and was not "deregistered" but yet is now in a current state of not being a firearm by its deactivation overkill. Meaning ok the gun was listed as still a prohib owned on the system still as by the guy he bought it from but it currently does not fit the criteria as a prohib. This being as is it no longer is classified as a firearm as it is completely rendered incapable of ever discharging a firearm ever again. Would the investigation really be a serious risk to him? Is it a firearm or a heap of metal? Thats the whole slippery slope question here in my opinion.

You can compare it to someone having a piece of a prohib firearm and that piece is just a chunk of the reciever not the entire reciever but a one inch piece lets say. On that piece was the serial number. Now being that your are in possesion of that chunk of numbered metal should you be overly worried about criminal charges if that chunk was not deregistered?

Now do they rate it by the size of the chunk of metal by seriousness?

I think in both cases they would be lienient with him less though with the person who did not report the deactivation of the gun. It could have been stolen in there eyes or he sold it live under the table then over the years it was deactivated etc etc. The original owner of the prohib is in heaps of trouble if so.

I think he should be more concerned if he was the one who deactivated it not the poor shmuck who ended up with it after it was destroyed and rendered just a heap of metal and wood?

I hope he doesnt have anything to worry about and still feel he should be fine either way as long as the gun is destroyed in the means he said it was?

What do you think especially with all the issues with errors and info loss with the cfc of the past.
 
Now if the gun is registered to my uncles fathers brothers sisters best friends roommates 3rd cousin 3 times removed then how long does a 10 pound turkey need to cook if it has to be ready for a 4 pm dinner? anyone?
 
Here is an actual example. Many years ago I had a registered full auto to sell. The buyer's local police service refused to allow the transfer unless the gun was deactivated. This wasn't the law, this was just a certain police service's policy. This was done, the local police service inspected the gun, and the transfer went through - BUT the gun was STILL REGISTERED. It was NOT deregistered as a dewat, at the time. I have no idea if the registration even mentionned the fact that the gun was unservicable.
 
Crisco 1 said:
Now if the gun is registered to my uncles fathers brothers sisters best friends roommates 3rd cousin 3 times removed then how long does a 10 pound turkey need to cook if it has to be ready for a 4 pm dinner? anyone?
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depends, where the jiblets removed and did you use string to seal up the turkey instead of just toothpicks.
 
MRCLARK said:
What do you think especially with all the issues with errors and info loss with the cfc of the past.
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Exactly.

The old RCMP FRAS system was rife with errors, and had essentially failed by the time it was replaced with the C68 "universal" registry.

Why do you think they wanted everybody to "re register" everything.

The point is the onus is on the registered owner to make sure he is in compliance with the law. The fact that the law is a failure, and it's failures are often used to target owners for prosecution isn't part of the question.

Especially if you are grandfathered for 12(2).

If you are, you are the "worst kind of gun owner" in the eyes of the firearms bureaucracy. The current system is designed specifically to be especially onerus on you, and trip you up with a multitude of paperwork infractions that can get your property confiscated and end your "privilege" of possessing it.

Read and understand the criminal code, the Firearms Act and it's regulations. Back up all of your paperwork and keep copies of everything. Remember that some LEO's and many lawyers do not understand firearms laws, and will use that ignorance against you.
 
NFA001 said:
It's not that simple.

In order for any registered firearm to be deactivated, the process requires the approval of the registering authority.

Many MG's came into Canada over the years. In order for them to be legal for sale, they either had to have been deactivated by the importer, or registered with the RCMP.
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I agree that any registered full auto (or any registered firearm for that matter) cannot just be deactivated and sold without meeting the guidelines and getting the paperwork. But I also think that thousands of surplus full autos that were already here and not registered (ie. deactivated by torching then sold as surplus) are probably OK unless you do something stupid with them. I'm wondering the practicality of permanently disabling the sear to current guidelines when it's so much melted slag. And pinning the breech with a hardened pin when there's a torch gash where the breech used to be, now filled with body fill.
 
I would think that after this amount of time, that
everthing is fine or the gun would have been cut up years
ago. If it was a legal weld up in 1978, it is still legal today.
And regarding Ray Korpus, there is more to that story
than just trying to register a prohibe.
Marshall
 
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