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I finally saw the light yesterday and bought my first Mosin, I'm told a Finn M91 with a Tikka 1943 barrel. It's like a new rifle, perfect bore, wood with nary a mark on it.
I don't know that much about it although I have been perusing earlier threads via Search function and I'm learning.

I see what you guys like about the Finns, what a well made rifle! Any info anyone can add about it appreciated- for example the difference between the M91 and the 91/30 Finn?


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1943-44 Tikkas

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The Tikka Mosin-Nagants made during this production run are some of the best ones made. I think there were less than 7500 in this series, which makes them a low production compared to the others. They are quite collectable. There are fewer 1943s than 1944s.

There is a lot of information on the "Gunboards" forum about the Mosin Nagants. Also, you can try "Mosin Nagant.com", as there is a lot of information on this website about the Tikkas.

Finland was once part of Russia. As such, they used the Mosin Nagant, but did not make receivers. Rather, they used original receivers, and rebarreled and restocked them.

If you visit either of the websites I mentioned, a lot of your questions can be answered.
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Your receiver was captured by the Austrian in WW1 note the AZF marking. Probably sold by them to Finland and the Finns used it in their rebuilding program since the original complete rifle may have been damaged.
 
JP said:
Your receiver was captured by the Austrian in WW1 note the AZF marking. Probably sold by them to Finland and the Finns used it in their rebuilding program since the original complete rifle may have been damaged.
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Thanks Jean. Any idea how they decided whether the rifle was to be a 91, a 91/30 or an M39? Anyone know the relative strengths of each?
 
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Barrelbands second model

The M-91 was the father of them all, also being the mainstay of the Finn army for most of their campaigns against the Russian.
There were many variants of the M-91 as well (M-24, P-26, P-27, etc...).
The M-91/30 was a shorter model introduced by the Russian, with revised sights and simplified manufacture. The Finns quickly adapted them to their ways of shooting.
You can find the complete Mosin-Nagant story on these two websites:
ht tp://7.62x54r.net/
ht tp://www.mosinnagant.net/

If you take it apart for cleaning, remember that these barrel bands release their grip by screwing the bolt in. Do not force them (screwing or unscrewing) or you may snap the bolthead.
The Finns used to keep the rear one loose and put a small screw just in front to keep it from sliding. The front one was tightened.
Now, once done, take a nice and sharp close-up pic of the rear action tang's underside.
It very often tells who was the receiver manufacturer.
Nice find!
PP. :)
 
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PerversPépère said:
If you take it apart for cleaning, remember that these barrel bands release their grip by screwing the bolt in. Do not force them (screwing or unscrewing) or you may snap the bolthead.
The Finns used to keep the rear one loose and put a small screw just in front to keep it from sliding. The front one was tightened.
Now, once done, take a nice and sharp close-up pic of the rear action tang's underside.
It very often tells who was the receiver manufacturer.
Nice find!
PP. :)
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Thanks Pepere! I've read in previous threads about that strange band screw issue...tell you the truth, there are so many screws and things in that stock setup that I think I'll be leaving it alone...it's far from neglected looking and I don't want to mess it up. Some day I'll run into you or someone who knows and we can take it apart.
I wasn't looking for one of these but upon sight I knew it was a great grab...I've bought two rifles from the same man before and they are all first class, he knows his stuff. I put a patch down the bore and it looks like brand new, bluing is perfect.
 
cantom said:
Thanks Pepere! I've read in previous threads about that strange band screw issue...tell you the truth, there are so many screws and things in that stock setup that I think I'll be leaving it alone...it's far from neglected looking and I don't want to mess it up. Some day I'll run into you or someone who knows and we can take it apart.
I wasn't looking for one of these but upon sight I knew it was a great grab...I've bought two rifles from the same man before and they are all first class, he knows his stuff. I put a patch down the bore and it looks like brand new, bluing is perfect.
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I think I'll have to drag out my camera and do a complete step-by-step "How-To" thread on Mosin-Nagant takedown.
If you intend to shoot it, you'll soon discover that these can be real tackdrivers with proper ammo and good shooting manners. And the Mosins just LOVE dedicated handloads, too!
But first, like any other milsurp, a six-o'clock hold is a must and a good start.
PP.:)
 
Beauty!

Where did you get it? I have been looking for a MN of this quality and vintage, they are hard to come by these days.
 
i have 4 in that condition, mine came from collectors source I was able to pic through around 100 guns all in really nice condition. I have a 1917 with all the czarist stamps intact i have the B barrel and a Tikka barreled Austrian capture like yours above and a westinghouse as well as about 10 others. the nicest is the my M39 it's so sweet to shoot .MN's are like candy you can't have just one
 
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i have 4 in that condition, mine came from collectors source I was able to pic through around 100 guns all in really nice condition. I have a 1917 with all the czarist stamps intact i have the B barrel and a Tikka barreled Austrian capture like yours above and a westinghouse as well as about 10 others. the nicest is the my M39 it's so sweet to shoot .MN's are like candy you can't have just one
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Wanna sell one;)
 
cantom said:
I finally saw the light yesterday and bought my first Mosin, I'm told a Finn M91 with a Tikka 1943 barrel. It's like a new rifle, perfect bore, wood with nary a mark on it.
I don't know that much about it although I have been perusing earlier threads via Search function and I'm learning.

I see what you guys like about the Finns, what a well made rifle! Any info anyone can add about it appreciated- for example the difference between the M91 and the 91/30 Finn?


TIKKAM39.jpg

TikkaM39004.jpg

TikkaM39005.jpg

TikkaM39003-1.jpg
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This is M91 rifle (the longest one, but the most accurate too). It started as a Russian rifle "pi key" marking for quality control (probably "antique" in US), then captured by Austrians, then sold to Finns who placed a new barrel on it (can be even after war despite the date 1943). There is a very limited supply of 91s. Finns rifles are rare especially if you consider that not too many were build and you're lucky to have it only because of surplus sales.

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guess_kto said:
This is M91 rifle (the longest one, but the most accurate too). It started as a Russian rifle "pi key" marking for quality control (probably "antique" in US), then captured by Austrians, then sold to Finns who placed a new barrel on it (can be even after war despite the date 1943). There is a very limited supply of 91s. Finns rifles are rare especially if you consider that not too many were build and you're lucky to have it only because of surplus sales.

:welcome:
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That rifle is wartime. Only the "B" series M91's are confirmed to be post-war. Additionally, it is wearing a round-finger jointed stock which is also a wartime feature. It almost certainly was built before 1945. Nice example. The Finns made M91 rifles right up until the 1950's - much longer than anyone else.
 
Nice gun.

Here's the receiver on one of mine. The "SA" mark is on the side. Let's see who can be first to identify the others. ;)

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I'm bored. From the top:

Puolustuslaitos - "Defense Department"
Used for 2 months in 1941 before the adoption of [SA].

OE (over) WG - "Ostereichische Waffenfabrik Gesellschaft"
Austrian Arsenal Mark

AZF - "Artillerie Zeugs Fabrik"
Austrian Arsenal Mark
 
Puolustuslaitos!

Andy said:
Nice gun.

Here's the receiver on one of mine. The "SA" mark is on the side. Let's see who can be first to identify the others. ;)
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Puolustuslaitos - an early marking before the SA standard branding. Lucky you!
1941 Tikka barrel on an Austrian captured rifle, must be an old pre-1918 receiver; I would really like to see the underside of the rear action tang for the manufacturer's stamp!
As for the OE WG IIK (corrected) overstamping masking the Czarist double-headed eagle, I must say I don't recognize it...

Great rifle full of history.
PP.
 
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PerversPépère said:
Puolustuslaitos - an early marking before the SA standard branding. Lucky you!
1941 Tikka barrel on an Austrian captured rifle, must be an old pre-1918 receiver; I would really like to see the underside of the rear action tang for the manufacturer's stamp!
As for the CE WG IIK overstamping masking the Czarist double-headed eagle, I must say I don't recognize it...

Great rifle full of history.
PP.
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Pepere- So the hex receivered Mosins would be M91, and the round receivered rifles are 91/30? Or more to it than that?
 
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