Fiochi 44 russian

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Hello,

Has anyone here ever tried shooting this stuff through their reichsrevolvers?

It seems a little hot slinging 247grains of lead at 820fps but I'm curious if anyone has tried it. Does it hold up to the 820fps or is it a little milder than advertised and safe for these old guns?
 
I haven't shot or chronoed these, but if it's anything like their other offerings, the velocity on the box is probably higher than what you'll get when shooting. I found this review for Fiocchi 44 Russian posted 5 years ago on the midway usa website:

"I was shooting this from my 4.25" S&W Model 69 in .44 Magnum. It's as powerful as .44 Special ammo as I was getting an average of 672 FPS and 248 foot pounds energy. Shot 5 at 5 yards and all went in one hole point of aim, but at 10 yards the impacts were starting to print a few inches high."

I'd also be curious what other users have to say about them.

My impression towards the Fiocchi Heritage line is that it's not the greatest relative to its pricing. I've had issues with their 455 Webley, there was no crimp on most of the rounds and the bullets would pop out from recoil which ended up causing a squib. I had to add a light crimp to the whole batch. I've also read their 8mm French Ordonance squibs a lot.
 
I haven't shot or chronoed these, but if it's anything like their other offerings, the velocity on the box is probably higher than what you'll get when shooting. I found this review for Fiocchi 44 Russian posted 5 years ago on the midway usa website:

"I was shooting this from my 4.25" S&W Model 69 in .44 Magnum. It's as powerful as .44 Special ammo as I was getting an average of 672 FPS and 248 foot pounds energy. Shot 5 at 5 yards and all went in one hole point of aim, but at 10 yards the impacts were starting to print a few inches high."

I'd also be curious what other users have to say about them.

My impression towards the Fiocchi Heritage line is that it's not the greatest relative to its pricing. I've had issues with their 455 Webley, there was no crimp on most of the rounds and the bullets would pop out from recoil which ended up causing a squib. I had to add a light crimp to the whole batch. I've also read their 8mm French Ordonance squibs a lot.
I had the same experience with the Fiocchi 455 with no crimp. I wonder if it was a batch that missed the crimp entirely or what? When I fired one, the other cartridges loaded in the cylinder would come apart.
 
I haven't shot or chronoed these, but if it's anything like their other offerings, the velocity on the box is probably higher than what you'll get when shooting. I found this review for Fiocchi 44 Russian posted 5 years ago on the midway usa website:

"I was shooting this from my 4.25" S&W Model 69 in .44 Magnum. It's as powerful as .44 Special ammo as I was getting an average of 672 FPS and 248 foot pounds energy. Shot 5 at 5 yards and all went in one hole point of aim, but at 10 yards the impacts were starting to print a few inches high."

I'd also be curious what other users have to say about them.

My impression towards the Fiocchi Heritage line is that it's not the greatest relative to its pricing. I've had issues with their 455 Webley, there was no crimp on most of the rounds and the bullets would pop out from recoil which ended up causing a squib. I had to add a light crimp to the whole batch. I've also read their 8mm French Ordonance squibs a lot.
I've heard before that folks have been disappointed by the quality and they don't always live up to their speed claims. Im hoping these are on the slower side. It seems strange their 44 Russian is loaded hotter than 44 special in the same line.

Thanks for sharing that review! Hopefully someone out there has tried it in their reichs.
 
I've heard before that folks have been disappointed by the quality and they don't always live up to their speed claims. Im hoping these are on the slower side. It seems strange their 44 Russian is loaded hotter than 44 special in the same line.

Thanks for sharing that review! Hopefully someone out there has tried it in their reichs.

Since you're shooting in a Reichsrevolver you'll be fine even if it's near print velocity. They're a very well built solid frame revolver, it's the top breaks I'd be worried about.

44 Russ is one of the easiest calibers to reload for thankfully. Save your brass and those boxes will end up paying for themselves.
 
Since you're shooting in a Reichsrevolver you'll be fine even if it's near print velocity. They're a very well built solid frame revolver, it's the top breaks I'd be worried about.

44 Russ is one of the easiest calibers to reload for thankfully. Save your brass and those boxes will end up paying for themselves.
Thats my plan is to keep and reload the brass. It would be nice to start with a box that goes bang to get my brass if I can.

Its a pretty sturdy gun and I agree it will probably be fine but i don't have a lot of experience with antiques. I figured I'd rather be safe than sorry if theres someone out there who's already tried it!
 
I’ve fired several boxes of the Fiocchi Cowboy Action .44 Russian through a Model 1883 Reichsrevolver and it never missed a beat. I measured the cylinder and top strap for stretching before and after, to satisfy my hunch that the revolver would have no problem with the Fiocchi ammo, and it neither stretched or expanded .001” so I feel that a Reichsrevolver in good condition can handle the Fiocchi .44 Russian ammo. Prior to selling that revolver last year, I LPI’ed it and there were no indications of cracking.
While I didn’t chrony it, the Fiocchi .44 Russian load actually felt noticeably less powerful than the HSM .44 Russian Cowboy Action loading which is rated at 750 fps.

I’m not sure what it is about Fiocchi being so far out to lunch with their rated ballistics, but they just are. Their 7.5mm Swiss Ordinance Revolver ammo is supposedly going 1,214 feet per second, but in reality it isn’t even remotely close to that. When you fire it, it feels pretty tame. Or their 8mm French Ordinance “Lebel” Revolver ammo, which is rated at 880 fps, but the reality is that it’s practically a Pop Gun.
Now .44 Special is not loaded up much, if any, higher pressure than .44 Russian so that’s why the smaller case volume round sometimes zips along a little quicker than the longer cased Special round, all other things being equal. In fact, it was the very mediocre performance of the .44 Special that encouraged the development of the .44 Magnum, since all the revolvers chambered for the .44 Special were capable of handling a stouter-loaded round. Once Smith and Wesson quit making top-break revolvers, the solid-frame guns that were designed after were far stronger, both in design and metallurgy.

Another quirk of Fiocchi, and what may be similar to the comparison of their .44 Russian and .44 Special loadings, is the difference between their .450 Adams and .455 Mark II loadings. I purchased some older (1990’s vintage I think) .450 Adams ammo and fired it alongside some new .455 Mark II ammo through a good and tight Webley MP. The small-cased .450 Adams was MUCH SPICIER than the .455 Mark II, to the degree that after 3 cylinders full of .450 I stopped firing it for safety’s sake. The Webley MP was not tight after that range trip! Now, I probably shouldn’t have been firing any smokeless loadings through an MP, but it’s a far stronger gun than the Belgian Bulldog knock-offs that I’m sure people would have tried the .450 ammo in.

With Antiques you can’t ever say that it’s absolutely safe to fire them, but in the case of Fiocchi .44 Russian through a good condition Reichsrevolver, it is my opinion and has been my personal experience that it’s not damaging or dangerous either. In fact, that is the pairing of an Antique Revolver and Fiocchi Mild Smokeless ammo that I feel most confident about firing myself.
 
You’ve got the right idea for getting brass.
Sometimes it’s almost less expensive to buy the loaded ammo than the unloaded brass!
My local gun store had HSM .44 Russian cowboy action ammo for $74.95 a box of 50 rounds.
And it’s good Starline brass with a 200 grain RNFP bullet. And at that time I could only find Starline Brass at $80 for a hundred (now there is lots on the market at better prices). $150 for 100 brass, powder, bullet, and primer conveniently loaded together seems like a way better deal than $80 for 100 empty brass!
 
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