fire forming without a bullet

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Hello,

I've found this forum very helpful and would like to give back a little. I'd like to start by saying I'm in no way an expert, just a guy who enjoys this hobby. I have a winchester model 70 in 25-06 ackley improved and found the idea of fire forming without a bullet interesting. I searched the internet for ideas and found a number of different techniques. Heres what I did:

I started with 100 pieces of winchester brass and annealed them. Then I created a false shoulder by necking them up to 7mm then necked them back down to 25 caliber but not all the way. Only far enough to close in my chamber firmly so the primer strike would not drive the case forward in the chamber and give me missfires or stretched cases. I primed them with f205's. I then put 15 grains of unique into the cases. I chose cream of wheat as the filler. I poured it into the case about halfway up the neck. I tapped the case to settle the filler, rolled up a 1/4 square of toilet paper, and stuffed it in the neck to keep everything in place.

I lubed my bolt lugs and chambered my first round. (please make sure to fire in a safe direction in an appropriate place. There are high velocity particles exiting the barrel that could do serious damage at close range.) The report was louder than expected but with almost no recoil. When I ejected the casing it I found a perfectly formed ackley case.

It worked so well that I will do all my fire forming this way.

I hope this helps
 
Did mine pretty much the exact same way, only want to add that you may want to do a bit of cleaning periodically as the cream of wheat did leave some crud and started to impede closing of the bolt.
 
I loaded up my .257 Roberts cases with 46gr of H335 and some 75gr V-Max bullets and shot some paper sighting my rifle in and killed a coyote. I still have 10 or so left to fire form so I should go for a drive on my days off.
 
Hello,

I've found this forum very helpful and would like to give back a little. I'd like to start by saying I'm in no way an expert, just a guy who enjoys this hobby. I have a winchester model 70 in 25-06 ackley improved and found the idea of fire forming without a bullet interesting. I searched the internet for ideas and found a number of different techniques. Heres what I did:

I started with 100 pieces of winchester brass and annealed them. Then I created a false shoulder by necking them up to 7mm then necked them back down to 25 caliber but not all the way. Only far enough to close in my chamber firmly so the primer strike would not drive the case forward in the chamber and give me missfires or stretched cases. I primed them with f205's. I then put 15 grains of unique into the cases. I chose cream of wheat as the filler. I poured it into the case about halfway up the neck. I tapped the case to settle the filler, rolled up a 1/4 square of toilet paper, and stuffed it in the neck to keep everything in place.

I lubed my bolt lugs and chambered my first round. (please make sure to fire in a safe direction in an appropriate place. There are high velocity particles exiting the barrel that could do serious damage at close range.) The report was louder than expected but with almost no recoil. When I ejected the casing it I found a perfectly formed ackley case.

It worked so well that I will do all my fire forming this way.

I hope this helps

Yes, Yes, Yes, been forming 30 Gibbs, 6.5x55AI, K-Hornet, 260AI, 280AI, just the way you have described for 25 years at least.
No barrel wear, perfectly formed cases, and besides the noise, no recoil or other undesirable side effects.
Thanks for posting for the benefit of others out there.
Eagleye.
 
I started with 100 pieces of winchester brass and annealed them.
Assuming 25-06 brass here but why create a false shoulder? Any AckImp chamber when properly cut is already a crush fit on the shoulder of a standard case.

What's really cool is doing the same thing but blowing out the neck bigger at the same time. I load a standard 30-06 case pretty much as you describe and shoot it in my 35Whelen AckImp. Out pops a nicely formed AI case with also a neck into which a .358" bullet will slide right in. I think the necks are more concentric too.
 
I fireformed all my .218 Mashburn Bee cases with cast loads on gophers, I didn't see any need for putting breakfast cereals or personal hygiene products in my cases.
 
When fire forming 30-30 to 38-55 I found that pointing barrel up helps a lot.I also used toilet paper and a bit of wax to fold things in place.
 
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