Firearm Ban in Australia - People from USA should see this video

Damn, I'd love to watch it but I'm in Australia and I have a 10 GB/month data cap ha ha ha. It's a #### country for firearms enthusiasts.
 
As an old fart who has been around this gun control BS for a while, this does not shock me. The younger guys on here are at a disadvantage of not knowing or understanding the history.

I recall back during the 90s when we Canucks were involved with the fight against C68 this Australian gun ban was going on. We used the Australian situation to enlighten gun owners here who thought that banning 12.6 pistols was ok since their hunting rifles/shotguns were safe. They were upset about registration but were unable to connect the dots to see that registration led to confiscation. I recall the large photo we used at rallies of the bunch of guns being picked up by the elecrtromagnet on the crane to put them in a smelter. Clearly visible at the bottom of the huge pile of guns was a lovely Browning A5 that brought tears to my eyes. When the joe average gun owner saw this photo along with a video that CILA (thank you Tony) had put together about the Aussie situation they had a very different viewpoint of things....it was sobering for them to say the least.

It is shocking to consider this: back during the 60s and 70s handgun hunting was actually allowed in Australia - I have the books to prove this - JD Jones and Larry Kelly hunted over there with their custom handguns and there are photos in the book to prove this. Amazing to think of what Australia has come to now.

As for Canada, there is no doubt we are heading down the same path, and generally speaking the majority of frightened sheep how inhabit our vast and growing urban areas are falling for this hook line and sinker. The politicians see this as easy fodder to build an election campaign on. For them it is all about getting elected and staying in power. The Wendy Cukier types see this as an opportunity to promote a personal agenda plus build a name for themselves and shine in the spotlight.

There are only two organizations in Canada who support our gun rights: NFA and CSSA (CILA is now part of this). Join them...NOW!

I will ignore some of the comments made above regarding the fact that the USA could learn from our gun laws. This just demonstrates the ignorance of some gun owners and most likely they are new and have no knowledge of the past, but they will learn.....the hard way.

CD
 
lanis said:
And when the time comes, Canadians will comply just the same as Australians.

Think of it as High River, Canada wide.
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Perhaps, as they should, on another topic, lots of abs pipe being sold lately! You would think with the new aggression by the Russians that the gov't would not mind having well armed citizens around that know how to shoot, clean and care for a firearm! I said before and again that this country needs a militia, or national guard backed by the Government and armed forces! Russia already has claims on parts of our north and now has shown they are willing to act!
 
lanis said:
And when the time comes, Canadians will comply just the same as Australians.

Think of it as High River, Canada wide.
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Sad , but true......we are on the same path as the Aussies were . With the gun licensing and red tape that you have to go through in Canada to own and use a firearm ; it makes it more difficult for people to get into the shooting sports , and this has the end result of fewer gun owners to offer resistance to unfair gun laws.......it may be all part of the overall plan......make firearm ownership difficult , thereby reducing the number of firearm owners , which makes elimination of firearms Canada wide an easier thing to do.....
 
I've said this before but it bears repeating.

First, they'll go after the prohibited class. It's an easy sell to the uninformed public since the very word "prohibited" sounds like something nobody should be able to own anyway and the end goal of that class was to remove those firearms from public hands eventually anyway. Bye bye 12.x's.

Next, they'll go after the restricted class. They could do this by tightening the regulations or most likely, they'll stop issuing the endorsement on PAL's with no renewal option for current holders. In five years, nobody will be able to legally own that class of weapon and they're ~all~ currently registered. Bye bye restricted's.

For the non-restricted class, I think they'll chip away based on characteristics. The semi-autos will go first followed by pistol grip, thumbhole and "military" style stocks; the latter being left purposely vague. The next thing will be further restricting magazine capacity including tube fed lever guns and eliminating any/all firearms with detachable mags. They may stop for a while once all we're left with are neutered bolt action hunting rifles and double barrel shotguns but rest assured, the end goal is still to remove ALL firearms from civilian hands. The last restriction could be on ammo whereby reloading tools are banned and you're only allowed to purchase "X" number of rounds per year from government controlled suppliers.

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Its all part of the master plan. Gun bans lead to higher crime rates. Higher crime rates justify bigger budgets for law enforcement. More money for cops mean more cops with guns. More cops with guns means more government oppression... on those tax paying citizens with out the right to protect themselves... how convenient. Don't we see what's really happening???
 
I'm pretty sure in England they are down to break-action shotguns, and birdshot ammunition only.

Everything else is banned for the average citizen.

Sad to imagine it.
 
A wonderful rebuttal to some delusional thinking. Back in Britain we have no shortage of apologists who see something reasonable in the system. Being given a licence makes them feel like experts and competent to pontificate to others.
 
Ko1 said:
I've said this before but it bears repeating.

First, they'll go after the prohibited class. It's an easy sell to the uninformed public since the very word "prohibited" sounds like something nobody should be able to own anyway and the end goal of that class was to remove those firearms from public hands eventually anyway. Bye bye 12.x's.

Next, they'll go after the restricted class. They could do this by tightening the regulations or most likely, they'll stop issuing the endorsement on PAL's with no renewal option for current holders. In five years, nobody will be able to legally own that class of weapon and they're ~all~ currently registered. Bye bye restricted's.

For the non-restricted class, I think they'll chip away based on characteristics. The semi-autos will go first followed by pistol grip, thumbhole and "military" style stocks; the latter being left purposely vague. The next thing will be further restricting magazine capacity including tube fed lever guns and eliminating any/all firearms with detachable mags. They may stop for a while once all we're left with are neutered bolt action hunting rifles and double barrel shotguns but rest assured, the end goal is still to remove ALL firearms from civilian hands. The last restriction could be on ammo whereby reloading tools are banned and you're only allowed to purchase "X" number of rounds per year from government controlled suppliers.

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That does appear to be the direction in which we are heading........it may happen sooner than we expect if the Federal Govt. changes in the fall of 2015......
 
yellowlab04 said:
and right here is the problem u know better that any body else
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Exactly right. Licensing is gun control. Gun control only affects SANE and LAW ABIDING citizens; the same group of people who AREN'T the problem.

Criminals and mentally unstable people who want to hurt and kill others are going to find a way to do it no matter what laws and restrictions are in place.
 
Come on people, this film was a fundraising infomercial made by the NRA in the year 2000 and is primarily unadulterated bull####. The current stats actually work AGAINST the film's hypothesis, so dont be content to believe propaganda and tinfoil hat nonsense. Arm yourselves with the facts, and use them as a weapon to keep responsible gun ownership legal and free from unreasonable restriction.

The scientific evidence suggests that gun control does not effect violent crime, one way or the other. It does suggest however, that nations afflicted with violent crime tend to restrict gun ownership. In other words, If violent crime in Austrailia did rise after the buy back of 1996-1997, the crime rates would have gone up regardless of a gun ban. The ban itself was likely had a neutral crime effect, serving only to frustrate and punish previously legal gun owners. The crime rate itself, was due to other unaddressed socioeconomic conditions, while the public and government chose to waste time and money on an ineffectual gun ban without addressing the real root of the problem. Bottom line - GUN BANS DONT WORK.

Knowledge is power, and can win this battle. Relying on propaganda, unqualified assertions, and emotionally based opinions makes us no better than the antis.

Here is a well researched and sourced article for those interested:

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

the Australian experience - stats show no clear effect effect of any kind on violent crime following gun ban. Violent crime is lower now than it was before 1996.

http://moveleft.org/dog_ban/br_j_criminology_2006_.pdf
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national...in-war-on-crime/2005/10/28/1130400366681.html
http://www.aic.gov.au/dataTools/facts/vicViolentRate.html

Some backstory behind the film itself:

http://www.salon.com/2000/04/03/nra_3/
 
Darkwater said:
Come on people, this film was a fundraising infomercial made by the NRA in the year 2000 and is primarily unadulterated bull####. The current stats actually work AGAINST the film's hypothesis, so dont be content to believe propaganda and tinfoil hat nonsense. Arm yourselves with the facts, and use them as a weapon to keep responsible gun ownership legal and free from unreasonable restriction.

The scientific evidence suggests that gun control does not effect violent crime, one way or the other. It does suggest however, that nations afflicted with violent crime tend to restrict gun ownership. In other words, If violent crime in Austrailia did rise after the buy back of 1996-1997, the crime rates would have gone up regardless of a gun ban. The ban itself was likely had a neutral crime effect, serving only to frustrate and punish previously legal gun owners. The crime rate itself, was due to other unaddressed socioeconomic conditions, while the public and government chose to waste time and money on an ineffectual gun ban without addressing the real root of the problem. Bottom line - GUN BANS DONT WORK.

Knowledge is power, and can win this battle. Relying on propaganda, unqualified assertions, and emotionally based opinions makes us no better than the antis.

Here is a well researched and sourced article for those interested:

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

the Australian experience - stats show no clear effect effect of any kind on violent crime following gun ban. Violent crime is lower now than it was before 1996.

http://moveleft.org/dog_ban/br_j_criminology_2006_.pdf
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national...in-war-on-crime/2005/10/28/1130400366681.html
http://www.aic.gov.au/dataTools/facts/vicViolentRate.html

Some backstory behind the film itself:

http://www.salon.com/2000/04/03/nra_3/
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It's time to go take your government mandated Soma pill.

Crime rates did increase in the UK after the gun ban there, and the instance of home invasion with owners present did increase. These increases occurred mostly in rural parts (since not in the city it was irrelevant for the media and did not affect overall numbers when taken as a whole of the UK).


AS for your link to salon.com.....I am not familiar with this news outlet, but it comes across sounding like the Star here in Canada. So I guess you believe that the UN is not looking to ban private firearm ownership the world over then huh? It's right there in that so called "news article".

CD
 
Chefhunter said:
People from Canada need to see this video!
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The sad truth is that a lot of Canucks would be cheering when they watched those evil baby killers being chopped up. The majority of Canadians do not own guns, have no interest in them, and would question why anybody needs and automatic weapon (read as: semiauto firearm).
The only thing that will get average joe people upset is when it starts costing them tax dollars for a registry or a buyback program (that is why our guns will be confiscated when the time comes), especially if costs balloon out of proportion from the original promised amounts. They don't give a hoot about research and logic - sheep function on emotions strictly.

This is why I do not have a problem with using emotions to fight our battle. Whatever it takes and whatever works. If the dark side can do it then so can we. All is fair in love in war. Look, you can hold yourself to a higher standard and be righteous about how honest you are while you are being shoved to the ground face first, and everyone can look back and say oh my what an upstanding guy. Big freakin deal in the end. Or you can lower yourself to using the same tactics as the other side and in the end win and be smiling with your victory. Now which outcome would you prefer?

Politics is a dirty dirty business. Do you want to win in politics or lose but call yourself noble?

CD
 
This really worries me. I recall reading an article in the national post about Trudeau wanting to adopt Aussie type laws to Canadians if the Libs were to come into power. I guess they cant get over the fact that the gun registry is gone and want to win votes on the backs of responsible firearm owners like ourselves. Law abiding citizens getting screwed while the criminals keep breaking the laws.
 
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