Firearms Disposal/ Removal, Please Share With Your Loved Ones

When buying guns from people who need to get rid of them in a hurry, fair market value is not, the highest price found online, what a friend thinks it should sell for (yet never willing to pay that themselves) EE, or the price that kind of gun has on it on a gun show table (that has been there for the last decade).

Gun stores have no shortage of guns to bring in, so when someone brings in a gun they do not want or need anymore, the store should not be expected to pay top dollar on a gun owner does not even want. If you were to take your old car to the local dealership for them to buy off of you, don't expect Kelly Blue Book pricing. You are lucky with half.
Thanks for the insight. The bereaved widow is "lucky" to get $500 for the rifle you'll sell for $1,000. 100 per cent profit.

This thread is a good reminder to make provisions how you want your firearms disposed of. Otherwise a dealer will pay your family members half of what he believes he can sell the guns for and say they are "lucky." Unlucky ones will get a lot less.
 
Funny how people like to twist word, reminds me of what the extreme left does. I said that in the case of a car, you are lucky to get half if you sell to a car lot. You chose to add bereaved widow and a thousand dollar rifle to the mix!

Its ironic how so many people want start questioning the motives of a company who is offering a service like this, yet you would would not have any problem buying something undervalued on EE when the person indicates they need to sell in a hurry. Personally when someone brings in a $1000 gun, "bereaved widow" or just your average Joe, we give them about 77% if we see it a quick seller, and 65-70% if it is a gun that will sit for a year and might have to be discounted.

Many times people have come in and asked $400 for a $1000 gun and we tell them $700. The same goes with the guy who thinks it is worth $1200, because he paid $1300 new, the answer is still $700.

Anyways this is Reliables thread and their new program. I have met one of the owners of Reliable personally, but know more about them from their excellent reputation. People have nothing to worry about them, they are stand up and rock solid! You have come up with a great idea that will help allot of people.

On the other hand the internet skeptics who cringe every time they think of someone who makes a living selling things that they are interested in, they will always question everything and assume that the goal of every business is to rip people off, their little world will never change.
 
Funny how people like to twist word, reminds me of what the extreme left does. I said that in the case of a car, you are lucky to get half if you sell to a car lot. You chose to add bereaved widow and a thousand dollar rifle to the mix!

Its ironic how so many people want start questioning the motives of a company who is offering a service like this, yet you would would not have any problem buying something undervalued on EE when the person indicates they need to sell in a hurry. Personally when someone brings in a $1000 gun, "bereaved widow" or just your average Joe, we give them about 77% if we see it a quick seller, and 65-70% if it is a gun that will sit for a year and might have to be discounted.

Many times people have come in and asked $400 for a $1000 gun and we tell them $700. The same goes with the guy who thinks it is worth $1200, because he paid $1300 new, the answer is still $700.

Anyways this is Reliables thread and their new program. I have met one of the owners of Reliable personally, but know more about them from their excellent reputation. People have nothing to worry about them, they are stand up and rock solid! You have come up with a great idea that will help allot of people.

On the other hand the internet skeptics who cringe every time they think of someone who makes a living selling things that they are interested in, they will always question everything and assume that the goal of every business is to rip people off, their little world will never change.
Actually you introduced cars to the discussion and the concept that 50 per cent is "lucky." The OP introduced bereaved widows when he wrote "in a time of grief a widow may be convinced by the police to have them take the firearm."

What I asked about was "fair." Depending on the gun, the circumstances, extra effort required it is entirely possible 50 per cent is "fair" but it's hardly "lucky."

Nothing wrong with making a living or making a profit but there are dealers out there who are unscrupulous when dealing with grieving family members. Before blindly passing along contact information it's prudent to determine people are not being unfairly taken advantage of in a time of grief. The best way to ensure it doesn't happen is to make provisions for yourself.
 
The bottom line is that Reliable is more then fair with customers. We get a few phone calls from BC area for used guns in estates ect. For those who we are not able to help out we will be sending them Reliables way for sure!
 
If someone was trying to get rid of a fire arm, or a collection of fire arms - whether they were an inheritance, a gift, etc. - and they were earnestly putting in the time and effort to try and get a fair price for them - then anyone, dealer or private buyer, would be a total ####, to misrepresent the value of the gun and lowball the owner. If, on the other hand, the person just wanted the guns "gone" and was ready to hand them over to the police for destruction - or swap them for a $39 camera - then I'd be willing to declare "open season". If the owner puts no value on the fire arm(s) - I don't see why anyone else should get worked up about it.
 
Darn... I've been dicking around on an idea like this since I got into guns. Good job Reliable.

Also, an easy way to deal with people who are saying that it's possible for a business to rip off a person, why not provide a blue book value estimate with explanation and consign them at the business' chosen price and rate - that way it's in the business' best interest to get a high price and the blue book value can be used later. I also understand that some people would be likely to take the estimate and run to sell it themselves, so make the estimate billable if they choose not to consign.
 
I think claybuster's question is reasonable....... and that isn't a knock at reliable.....

A dealer local to me became infamous for doing widows "favours" by giving them either nothing or pennies on the dollar just to put the guns behind the counter and attempt to sell them at inflated prices.....

Reliable has a good reputation, but I think it's a fair question to ask what our loved ones should expect when using this service..... I also think reliable taking their cut is fair......
 
You don't get it at all. I am not castings aspersions on Reliable. When any gun dealer asks me to pass along information to my loved ones in the context of estate planning or the highly-charged issue of gun amnesties it is entirely reasonable to ask how my survivors will be treated if they avail themselves of this service.

Actually, casting aspersions on them is exactly what you're doing. If you weren't you wouldn't have questioned their motives and practices. Your anecdote has nothing to do with Reliable, or the service they're offering. I could come back and post an extensive list of firearms I've seen outright stolen from widows by "Friends and family" but I recognize that for every bad story you hear about, there's one (probably more) that go unmentioned.
 
Actually, casting aspersions on them is exactly what you're doing. If you weren't you wouldn't have questioned their motives and practices. Your anecdote has nothing to do with Reliable, or the service they're offering. I could come back and post an extensive list of firearms I've seen outright stolen from widows by "Friends and family" but I recognize that for every bad story you hear about, there's one (probably more) that go unmentioned.

Where were aspertions cast?...... I dont see it
 
Where were aspertions cast?...... I dont see it

"On several occasions I have thwarted unscrupulous dealers who were trying to screw over widows on valuable firearms. Understanding that you have a business to run and must make a profit does Reliable pay what a neutral third party observer would consider a fair price to people who use the service?"

Right there ^

He makes 2 statements "I've seen dealers screw people before." Followed by "Prove you aren't going to do the same."
 
"On several occasions I have thwarted unscrupulous dealers who were trying to screw over widows on valuable firearms. Understanding that you have a business to run and must make a profit does Reliable pay what a neutral third party observer would consider a fair price to people who use the service?"

Right there ^

He makes 2 statements "I've seen dealers screw people before." Followed by "Prove you aren't going to do the same."
I didn't make either of the statements you placed in quotes. Those are your interpretation of my questions.

I'll stand by anything I actually say whether here or in person. But don't make up quotes and attribute them to someone unless wish to be mistaken for a reporter at the CBC or Toronto Star.
 
I didn't make either of the statements you placed in quotes. Those are your interpretation of my questions.

I'll stand by anything I actually say whether here or in person. But don't make up quotes and attribute them to someone unless wish to be mistaken for a reporter at the CBC or Toronto Star.

So if you believe Reliable wouldn't do something like that, what was your purpose of asking?
 
I didn't make either of the statements you placed in quotes. Those are your interpretation of my questions.

I'll stand by anything I actually say whether here or in person. But don't make up quotes and attribute them to someone unless wish to be mistaken for a reporter at the CBC or Toronto Star.

I think it is a fair interpretation of your posts to say that you have questioned the integrity of Reliable Gun and Tackle and I think you or anyone is entitled to ask that question about someone or a business that you don't have any experience with. You've stated that you've dealt with unscrupulous dealers in the past and that seems to have made you cautious and distrustful.

But, you've now heard from a number of 3rd parties who have interacted with Reliable and vouch for their integrity. And, there has been an absence of any posts impugning their reputation other than a broad-brush generalization from scott_r(who doesn't mention any first hand knowledge or experience with Reliable) that I'll paraphrase as him saying that all businesses are evil and predatory.

Anyway, I don't expect you to take my word for it and I can't tell you to respect the other endorsements that Reliable has received from others. But, if at this point you continue to question Reliable's integrity based only on your past experience with unrelated people, then in my mind you're just going to come across as a "hater" with a chip on your shoulder aimed at people who make a living buying & selling guns.

If on the other hand you are now comfortable saying something like "I guess they aren't the same as those other guys I dealt with in the past" or even just something neutral like "I don't have enough personal, direct experience with them to judge them", then my personal opinion of you would be that you are a rational and reasonable man.
 
Thank you ladies and gentlemen for the wonderful feedback from this post.

I've watched for the last few days to see where the comments would lead. I think some very valuable points have been brought up from a number of people. Also, it is always very humbling when hearing the positive feedback from those of you that we have had the pleasure of dealing with so far.

We also completely understand any hesitation from those of you that have dealt with less than credible people. That is an honest concern in any industry. You will always have those that prey on the innocent or niave, and that is exactly what we are trying to combat.

We, at Reliable Gun, do our best to act with integrity each and every day, as we know that it is essential in lasting success. I know many other dealers here in Canada that we also, without hesitation, would recommend and have known for many years (many even decades). Those "unscrupulous dealers" do not last. They look for short term gains and hope that it doesn't catch up with them.

One of the things I really feel proud of in the CGN community is that we are a "take no s**t" community and if ever there was a problem, it could not be hidden.

Firearmsdisposal.ca was created genuinely as a service for those in need. We receive calls every day from people all over the country looking for this information, usually unaware of their options. We want to get the word out to prevent them from having the guns destroyed. We do buy them at a wholesale pricing basis if we are going to pay them outright, but mostly if people are in no rush we suggest consignment. They sell for true market pricing and our consignment fee is 20% for firearms over $250, therefore being fully transparent.

Essentially what we want is to create an awareness so that when we are gone, our families know how to approach our collections.

Should anyone have any questions, feedback or suggestions, please do not hesitate to contact us!

Best regards,
Nicholas Chee
 
I think it is a fair interpretation of your posts to say that you have questioned the integrity of Reliable Gun and Tackle and I think you or anyone is entitled to ask that question about someone or a business that you don't have any experience with. You've stated that you've dealt with unscrupulous dealers in the past and that seems to have made you cautious and distrustful.

But, you've now heard from a number of 3rd parties who have interacted with Reliable and vouch for their integrity. And, there has been an absence of any posts impugning their reputation other than a broad-brush generalization from scott_r(who doesn't mention any first hand knowledge or experience with Reliable) that I'll paraphrase as him saying that all businesses are evil and predatory.

Anyway, I don't expect you to take my word for it and I can't tell you to respect the other endorsements that Reliable has received from others. But, if at this point you continue to question Reliable's integrity based only on your past experience with unrelated people, then in my mind you're just going to come across as a "hater" with a chip on your shoulder aimed at people who make a living buying & selling guns.

If on the other hand you are now comfortable saying something like "I guess they aren't the same as those other guys I dealt with in the past" or even just something neutral like "I don't have enough personal, direct experience with them to judge them", then my personal opinion of you would be that you are a rational and reasonable man.
All good points. The best of which is that there hasn't been a flood of people challenging them. If certain Ontario dealers, two of which are advertisers here, tried the same scheme there'd be several people, me among them, who'd be warning people away.

Question asked and answered. There is no reason to discourage people from using this service as there is no indication or evidence that the people who do will be treated unfairly.
 
We offer this service Canada-Wide. If you're in the Greater Vancouver area you can bring them in, or we can schedule one of our staff to come pickup. If you're located further away, we can send you a shipping label you can print off, package up the firearm, and ship to us free.

Thanks
Warren
 
It's an excellent service to widows and other non-firearm people who would like someone knowledgable and trustworthy to sell their arms for a reasonable cost. My family may one day need your services. Thank You!
 
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