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Firearms reclassification.
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The only problem I have with x-men’s comments is that to me winning the war means I would have my right to a Weapon enshrined. Currently, as I see it, self defence or defence of others is legal but possession of a weapon is not, to me one goes with the other or the former is useless and/or dangerous. Aside from that I mostly agree…
IBTL
IBTL
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I agree. Close it. Or rename the thread day care
Arms = Firearms
Not: keep and bear weapons
When you say "firearm" you mean a "gun". When you say "weapon", that could mean anything.
When you start talking legal mumbojumbo to politicians you have to use the correct teminology.
We all hate the Firearms Act contained within the Criminal Code and not the "Weapons Act".
Really?
Arms
1. A weapon, especially a firearm: troops bearing arms; ICBMs, bombs, and other nuclear arms.
2. A branch of a military force: infantry, armor, and other combat arms.
v. armed, arming, arms
1. To supply or equip oneself with weaponry.
2. To prepare oneself for warfare or conflict.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/arms
Arms
1. A weapon, especially a firearm: troops bearing arms; ICBMs, bombs, and other nuclear arms.
2. A branch of a military force: infantry, armor, and other combat arms.
v. armed, arming, arms
1. To supply or equip oneself with weaponry.
2. To prepare oneself for warfare or conflict.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/arms
Steve Janes
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Does anyone care to post who's rifles ALL 3 of the ones that were sent to the RCMP by TSE belonged to and their origin?
I do not want speculation, only facts because this is something we are going to have to know going forward regardless of what happens since two of them were found to be C/A. If they came in regular shipments of SAN rifles for civilian sales the owners of the current rifles in country need to know about it NOW.
I do not want speculation, only facts because this is something we are going to have to know going forward regardless of what happens since two of them were found to be C/A. If they came in regular shipments of SAN rifles for civilian sales the owners of the current rifles in country need to know about it NOW.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...ms-rifles-being-examined-for-reclassification
Everything you need to know is in this thread. You will need to filter through hundreds of useless posts to get the facts but it has all been posted. If it matters to you then it's worth reading through it all.
IBTL
I have followed all the threads and there is no direct answer as to where the two converted autos came from other than someone posting years of their import and that they were bound for TSE.http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...ms-rifles-being-examined-for-reclassification
Everything you need to know is in this thread. You will need to filter through hundreds of useless posts to get the facts but it has all been posted. If it matters to you then it's worth reading through it all.
IBTL
Things like why were they selected as control samples, who has had posession of them, where they part of a regular shipment for sale or were they specific imports for another purpose, who has had access to the rifles since importation before the RCMP got them, etc are what the current owners of these rifles in this country NEED and WANT to know NOW.
If TSE waits till after the RCMP has ruled (making legal firearms owners criminals) to try and determine if they have been selling C/A rifles illegaly we are going to be in even more trouble
abbynormal
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Well anyways ....
I've been told (no, don't bother asking who - I won't say) that the KRISS issue is going away by month's end. Apparently something came up that had to be investigated, but is known to be erroneous by all parties.
Re: SAN - many (read MANY) people on both sides of the pond are working on a couple possible solutions (read supplying necessary docs or tweaking existing rifles to make people happy).
That's what I know to be true ....
Abby
I've been told (no, don't bother asking who - I won't say) that the KRISS issue is going away by month's end. Apparently something came up that had to be investigated, but is known to be erroneous by all parties.
Re: SAN - many (read MANY) people on both sides of the pond are working on a couple possible solutions (read supplying necessary docs or tweaking existing rifles to make people happy).
That's what I know to be true ....
Abby
I don't think Kriss Vector owners need worry too much at the moment. I suspect that mess will be resolved shortly. Alas, I can't say the same for myself and my fellow Swiss Arms owners. Even if you don't own one, please everyone, take 15 minutes and jot down a couple of lines opposing further RCMP reclassifications, including that of the Swiss Arms family. No postage necessary if you send the letters to the PM and minister via the House of Commons.
TSE is heading to Switzerland this week in hopes of gathering the required documentation to provide the RCMP with the information they need to settle this. JR has told me they will post information once they get back and have some facts and real information to share. There is no point carrying on with all this speculation until there is something new and factual to talk about.
As stated in the other thread the two rifles were supplied by TSE, I'm not sure if they had been sitting in the basement for years or if they were from their personal collection, or trade-in's. It has been stated though that they were from two separate shipments that were a couple years apart so to me things aren't looking good for us since that means there could be numerous C/A rifles floating around in the hands of unknowing individuals.
My hopes are that they either offer an exchange program for anyone in possession of one of the C/A rifles as a straight trade for a new one or that if they decide to prohibit them that all current owners will be compensated full retail value for the rifle, all magazines and accessories including taxes.
From what I know I don't think things are going to go well. If there was a way to collect only the C/A rifles and leave the rest alone it would be better but it doesn't sound like they know how many are out there or who purchased them which will make things very difficult in justifying letting us keep them unless they get rid of the all C/A rifles are prohibited rule.
It won't immediately make us criminals, they will have to give us a time frame to turn them in willingly before we become criminals. If it comes to that I expect compensation otherwise there will be lawsuits and every rifle turned in will probably just be a stripped upper receiver. The parts will be useless but it will be done out of spite and to make sure they don't end up in the hands of the RCMP as their new toys.
I personally think that if they go prohibited that TSE should buy every rifle and magazine from every owner for full retail and then they can deal with the RCMP themselves.
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LOL, of course those should be included, ALL ACCESSORIES
. This is going to make it even harder for you to move those.
There, fixed it for you
