Fireclean= Crisco.

Don't worry, one day you'll graduate from noobdom.



... on everything but your olfactories! That stuff stinks to high heaven.

You clearly are the noob here and have no idea who Misanthropist is or what he has done. I'd be willing to bet he's forgotten more about shooting and shooting products than you're currently aware of.

TW25B
 
Bloggers gonna blogg.

I usually like the stuff that Vuurwapen dude writes about. But content for the sake of content is getting a little lame. Good job, he found out it's made from a plant based oil. Give me a break.

I think he bit off more than he could chew with this one.
 
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Several years and zero problems with any of their products. I love that I can quickly get all the copper out of the bore without any smell whatsoever. The bore gel gets the hard baked on crap off the crown when muzzle devices are removed and their LPX oil works great even in the cold.

Interesting. Anyone use Mpro7? It's what I've been using since froglube gummed up my guns, works awesome for me.
 
I use good old Hoppes products to clean and straight SAE 30 to lube working parts (JR Carbine, Fabarm STF12 and M&P 40). For the barrels I use synthetic 2-stroke oil. I have lots of it and I don't ride a 2-stroke anymore, so I'm going to use it. The big bonus is that it is made to burn clean and doesn't leave a big residue. That's my money-saving noob theory and I'm sticking to it. :redface:
 
I doubt Larry has a grade 10 let alone a chemistry degree.

This is the Patent obtained by Edward and David Sugg. Ed is Firecleans founder.

https://www.google.com/patents/CA28...ved=0CB0Q6AEwAGoVChMIyqvwt5XhxgIV0gWSCh2sXg_p

Oh no, a patent! Like somehow a patent regarding the mixing of vegetable oils (but not what ones, nor the actual formula) somehow proves that Fireclean = Crisco. What a poor attempt at bridging information. aka Fireclean is composed of vegetable oils, thus it is Crisco.

Mass spectrograph and x-ray spectrograph are needed to determine composition.
A burn test and infrared are pretty useless in determining chemical composition.
http://i2.wp.com/toeholds.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/ir-illustrated.png


It does have some interesting info in the patent though....

The PDF is here and the best part of the patents are the following items.
PDF version https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US20150017346.pdf

Tests have shown that critical moving parts of the weapon can reach 70 F above ambient temperature in even modest firing cadences, which are further magnified in battle conditions. Furthermore, some known compositions are synthetic and harmful when exposed to the human body.
For example, several known lubricant compositions include: Mobil 1 10W-30 sold by Mobil, SLIP2000TM Carbon Killer sold by SPS Marketing, FrogLube sold by AUDEMOUS INC, Gunzilla0 sold by TopDuck Products, LLC, Hoppe's Elite Gun Cleaner sold by Bushnell Outdoor Products, and Break Free sold by SAFARILAND. Each of these commercial compositions has significant flaws. For example, Mobil 1 10W-30 synthetic is hydrocarbon based, creates a sludge when contacted with carbon fouling, and is not polar. SLIP2000TM Carbon Killer does not lubricate, strips metal of oils, and damages anodized aluminum and blued steel. Stripping oils from metals in a firearm can cause the firearm to seize. FrogLube0 is only functional in a very narrow temperature range. It solidifies at 48 F, and smokes at 150 F. After smoking, it leaves behind a sticky gummy residue. Gunzilla is harmful or fatal if swallowed, and is a very poor performing cleaner. Hoppe's Elite does not act as a lubricant and removes oils and contains hazardous diethylene glycol monobutyl ether.
Break Free contains petroleum distillates. Petroleum distillate products contain harmful, carcinogenic components and are treated as hazardous materials both in shipment and disposal

It has been surprisingly found that any single oil or a combination of oils selected from the following group are suitable for the above uses: almond (smoke point 430° F.), avocado (smoke point 520° F.), canola (smoke point 450° F. or higher), corn (smoke point 450° F.), cottonseed (smoke point 420° F.), flax seed (smoke point 250° F.), hazelnut (smoke point 430° F.), hemp seed (smoke point 330° F.), grapeseed (smoke point 485° F.), jojoba (smoke point 570 F), macadamia nut (smoke point 389° F.), olive (smoke point 460° F.), peanut (smoke point 450° F.), rapeseed (smoke point 438° F.), rice bran (smoke point 490° F.), safflower (smoke point 490-510° F.), sesame (smoke point 350° F.), soybean (smoke point 495° F. or higher), sunflower (smoke point 450° F. or higher), and walnut (smoke point 400° F.). Any one of these oils or combination thereof has been found to improve carbon fouling and carbon and other contaminant resistance without the problematic side effects discussed above, as compared to existing products on the market. As discussed above, high oleic versions of these oils are preferable, for some applications.

The table 1 in it is very informative as well with a chart listing effectiveness of removing carbon fouling.
 
Oh no, a patent! Like somehow a patent regarding the mixing of vegetable oils (but not what ones, nor the actual formula) somehow proves that Fireclean = Crisco. What a poor attempt at bridging information. aka Fireclean is composed of vegetable oils, thus it is Crisco.

Nowhere in my post did I mention that it was Crisco, so, I'm sorry you failed to comprehend the intent of my post even though I'm not in the slightest bit surprised.

What a poor attempt at social interaction. :(
 
Oh no, a patent! Like somehow a patent regarding the mixing of vegetable oils (but not what ones, nor the actual formula) somehow proves that Fireclean = Crisco. What a poor attempt at bridging information. aka Fireclean is composed of vegetable oils, thus it is Crisco.

Mass spectrograph and x-ray spectrograph are needed to determine composition.
A burn test and infrared are pretty useless in determining chemical composition.
http://i2.wp.com/toeholds.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/ir-illustrated.png


It does have some interesting info in the patent though....

The PDF is here and the best part of the patents are the following items.
PDF version https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US20150017346.pdf





The table 1 in it is very informative as well with a chart listing effectiveness of removing carbon fouling.

I find it funny that they mention Slip2000 Carbon Killer is poor lubricant...of course it is! It is used to remove carbon, it is a cleaner...not a lubricant.
 
You clearly are the noob here and have no idea who Misanthropist is or what he has done. I'd be willing to bet he's forgotten more about shooting and shooting products than you're currently aware of.

TW25B

Thanks man but he's joking...although I had to look at his username before I realized it wasn't someone being a #### because for a second I was pretty WTF. But in reality I know dfritter well and he probably can make a pretty educated guess about my skillset. He's just screwing with me.
 
Oh no, a patent! Like somehow a patent regarding the mixing of vegetable oils (but not what ones, nor the actual formula) somehow proves that Fireclean = Crisco. What a poor attempt at bridging information. aka Fireclean is composed of vegetable oils, thus it is Crisco.

Mass spectrograph and x-ray spectrograph are needed to determine composition.
A burn test and infrared are pretty useless in determining chemical composition.
http://i2.wp.com/toeholds.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/ir-illustrated.png


It does have some interesting info in the patent though....

The PDF is here and the best part of the patents are the following items.
PDF version https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US20150017346.pdf





The table 1 in it is very informative as well with a chart listing effectiveness of removing carbon fouling.

Agreed about the burn test however in my own experience infra red and near IR would be useful for determining composition, as well as mass spec as you noted. as would HPLC (probably the best method).
xray is usally used to determine metals so i'm not sure how that would apply here.
 
As as side note, while looking for some oils to handle higher oil bath temperatures and being faced with some really high priced silicone oil replacements I realized that the food industry had already had some options. I cant find the charts, but google vegetable oil smoke points etc. As I recall avocado oil and walnut oil were quite high. On the other hand you could put glycerin on the outside of the barrel for that smoky look once it heats up lol.
 
Bloggers gonna blogg.

I usually like the stuff that Vuurwapen dude writes about. But content for the sake of content is getting a little lame. Good job, he found out it's made from a plant based oil. Give me a break.

I think he bit off more than he could chew with this one.

His HK416 article did it for me. That was deliberate and liabilous as well. I use to like his early YouTube vids, but really I think he is a bit of a narcissist now and comes from a wealthy family to fund his ego and #### on the gun world. He did serve in Iraq as a medic though.

But I guess he is entertaining.
 
Thanks man but he's joking...although I had to look at his username before I realized it wasn't someone being a #### because for a second I was pretty WTF. But in reality I know dfritter well and he probably can make a pretty educated guess about my skillset. He's just screwing with me.

Sometimes my serious knob is cranked too high. ;)

TW25B
 
Vuurwapen is now pointing out that the Vickers video showed them using different rounds when comparing how much smoke comes out for different lubes: http://www.vuurwapenblog.c om/general-opinion/lies-errors-and-omissions/where-theres-smoke-theres-liar/

Not that the amount of smoke coming out should count for ####, but that's the claim. He's either right or he's going to get sued into oblivion.
 
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