first .22, CZ 453 or 452 varmint??
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Thanks for the info Eagleye. I will be very happy with .500 groups at 50 with quality ammo. I shot 3position smallbore for years using Annies and Walthers so I do know what a quality rimfire is. However for the money the CZ's look like a good value. I like to tinker with my guns so I'm pretty sold on the 452 American in .22lr. It will wear a Mueller 8.5 X 25 AO Tactical and I will order the Brooks trigger kit. Our range is closed for the winter so I have until April to get this package together and tuned in. While I doubt that I will ever shoot serious bench with a top end gun I am looking forward to finding out how good these 452's are. Good info here from all. Thanks
Just wondering about lack of barrel lug on the 453. I recently picked up a 452 varmint and the first thing I thought of was floating the barrel. There is at least one major pressure point i know of. But back to the barrel lug. On mine it is removable.... if it is a concern just slip it off. Also does the 453 have 2 reciever lugs or just the one that is also on the 452. If so wouldn't removing lug while experimenting for accuracy suffice??
in which way do you disagree about the accuracy? you think the american is better because of the free floating barrel?
well having seen them in the flesh i think i now prefer the american, and obviously this has the 2 action screws and no barrel lug. and i like the leupold VX1 2-7x28 scope to go on it. so i think thats the way i will go. and il let you know when/if the eric brooks trigger arrives..
Osborne, yeah, the 453 Varmint has two action screws. And I believe there are more than a few people that have done away with the barrel lug on their 452 Varmint after bedding it. Can probably find some info here or rimfire central about it.
Crunchiespg, the 453 Varmint has the same layout as the American, two action screws and no barrel lug. It's the 452 Varmint (and some other 452s) that have the single action screw and barrel lug. I think that in 'barrel lug versus no barrel lug' that the one with no barrel lug will win out. It's an advantage over having the lug, though it may take some other doings (bedding, etc) before the lug vs no-lug rears its head. But, never the less, it is a disadvantage to have the barrel lug since the barrel isn't completely free-floated in that case. Some seem to think that the theoretical advantage isn't large enough to show itself in practice with these guns, but I don't belong to that camp. I think a possibility is that the difference might be small enough that it might not matter unless you do all the other accurizing routines as perfectly as possible, or it may be more obvious than that too. But it is at the very least a theoretical advantage that I wanted to have in my rifle, and so I went with the 453 Varmint instead of the 452 Varmint as a result. (As well as choosing the 453's better trigger.)
Crunchiespg, the 453 Varmint has the same layout as the American, two action screws and no barrel lug. It's the 452 Varmint (and some other 452s) that have the single action screw and barrel lug. I think that in 'barrel lug versus no barrel lug' that the one with no barrel lug will win out. It's an advantage over having the lug, though it may take some other doings (bedding, etc) before the lug vs no-lug rears its head. But, never the less, it is a disadvantage to have the barrel lug since the barrel isn't completely free-floated in that case. Some seem to think that the theoretical advantage isn't large enough to show itself in practice with these guns, but I don't belong to that camp. I think a possibility is that the difference might be small enough that it might not matter unless you do all the other accurizing routines as perfectly as possible, or it may be more obvious than that too. But it is at the very least a theoretical advantage that I wanted to have in my rifle, and so I went with the 453 Varmint instead of the 452 Varmint as a result. (As well as choosing the 453's better trigger.)
shorty, thanks for your advice. i agree about the barrel lug being a bad thing. so on that basis i have decided on a 452 American which doesnt have the lug, and having seen it in the flech i actually prefer the way it feels to the Varmint. and as mentioned my brooks kit is on its way so that will sort the trigger. i coudltn justify the extra $180 for the 453 when i know from experience the brooks trigger is fine for me.
and as i said im thinking of the leupold VX I 2-7x28 scope. anyone got any views on that scope?
Sounds like your hands are probably about the same as mine. The trigger definitely feels different than the 452 due to the difference in pull length, but it isn't a big deal once you use the 453 for a little while. After my first day out with it I was already used to it. And I found I preferred it, actually. I don't know if anyone else would feel the same way, but I found that the little bit of extra pull length helped me to better position my finger on the trigger. With the 452 trigger I had to pay a little bit of extra attention to how I was positioning my finger, which obviously isn't a big deal, after all that's just shooting. But with the 453 the extra length automatically put it under the middle of the pad of my finger just right. I'll admit, the extra length did feel a bit 'off' at first, but like I said, after the first day at the range it was fine and I was happy.
Crunchiespg,
The 452 American was the decision I came to as well (I'm sure you guessed by my previous posts). Even though I didn't end up buying one (another rifle came up that I had to have) the 452 American was where my money was going to go after doing all the research.
Like yourself I like the bull barrel look ( yes Shorty I do agree that generally the bull barrels have an advantage). But the American was just nicer looking and from reports shoots right with the varmint model.
Post some pictures when you get yours.
The 452 American was the decision I came to as well (I'm sure you guessed by my previous posts). Even though I didn't end up buying one (another rifle came up that I had to have) the 452 American was where my money was going to go after doing all the research.
Like yourself I like the bull barrel look ( yes Shorty I do agree that generally the bull barrels have an advantage). But the American was just nicer looking and from reports shoots right with the varmint model.
Post some pictures when you get yours.
