haven't had one come into our city yet...
first 9mm
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if i get the chance ill check one out!
That's the best idea. It's a super high quality piece, endless military cred, as accurate as anything, and they aren't in a fad phase so they are incredibly cheap (they should cost double what any plastic gun does).
OP, if you're planning on being LEO you might want to try to learn how to use a Glock. Unless you're trying to go RCMP, pretty much everyone else uses Glocks. But I'm not 100% on what every police force is using.
As for something inexpensive, based on my experiences I would recommend a CZ. I've seen a bunch of first timers use them and have no issues, with some proper instruction. I've used a Beretta a few times, and talked to US guys using them overseas and they almost all hated them to some degree.
As for something inexpensive, based on my experiences I would recommend a CZ. I've seen a bunch of first timers use them and have no issues, with some proper instruction. I've used a Beretta a few times, and talked to US guys using them overseas and they almost all hated them to some degree.
For patrol officers?
I know Sigs are used by some ERT guys. But wasn't aware of Walther being used. s&w tends to only be RCMP does it not?
(I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm actually genuinely curious)
my locals use sig in .40. boys down the road use walther, and yeah s&w is rcmp… lots of firearms in use with different services glock holds about a 60% market share followed by sig and S&W
kschneider
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Love my Girsan Regard and my SAM Omega 6. Had a few thousands through both, not a problem. If your just looking for your first shooter, not an actual service pistol, they are a nice starting point.
I learn something new every day, thx.
redshooter
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If you don't like a Glock 17 grip you'll like the Girsan/Beretta even less. I'd suggest you take a look at the CZ P-07. I hated the way it looks but when I picked one up...
I would have taken it hands down but I've decided I'm getting three for one in a Glock 22, two down 9mm to go!
Buying a pistol with the idea it will help you in law enforcement is not as straight forward as one might think. Most law enforcement agencies are using double action only pistols DOA, or striker fired pistols. If you know exactly what model the agency you intend to apply to uses you could go that route. Frankly I would not worry about that for your first pistol. Agencies have very strict and specific handling procedures, you could teach yourself just as many bad habits as good ones that you will need to unlearn. The agency you are hired by will teach you what you need to know about their issued firearm.
Go out and buy something that you will have fun with. If you have small hands take a look at the Ruger SR9, just bought one for my wife and it looks good. My other 9mm pistols with adjustable grip size were all not comfortable for her. Its a striker fired pistol and although we have not fired it yet the trigger pull is very good should be a nice shooter. Also the cost was just over $500.00.
If your local dealer carries them, take a look at a Steyr L9. Skip the M series for now -- they were created earlier and suffered from an inferior trigger. The L series are new and (apparently) quite crisp.
I used to own a Steyr M40 and it is one of a very few guns I truly miss. I bought it the day I got my RPAL and never noticed the trigger.
1911s have excellent triggers, look good, and feel great ... but they are a PITA to disassemble. Antique design.
CZs were the first modern, high-capacity, double-action design and have been widely copied but not improved upon.
I used to own a Steyr M40 and it is one of a very few guns I truly miss. I bought it the day I got my RPAL and never noticed the trigger.
1911s have excellent triggers, look good, and feel great ... but they are a PITA to disassemble. Antique design.
CZs were the first modern, high-capacity, double-action design and have been widely copied but not improved upon.
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Ok I'm looking at buying my first pistol (I've shot them but never bought one of my own) the only thing i can really say is id like to keep it at around $800 or less and i can't use Glocks.
Im entering into a policing program at my local college. so my other question besides what pistol is what calibre should i start with should i start with 9mm or go straight to .40?
The majority of the LEO market is Glock and for good reason. Both .40 and 9 mm are the most common in LEO. You don't say why no Glocks but if that is indeed the case, I think you will want to determine what make/model of firearms the force you are looking at entering is using and go that way. Berettas are very common in some. Sigs in others. One thing for sure is that you MUST MUST MUST make sure that you are able to (a) handle the caliber which you have chosen to shoot; and (b) make sure that the gun fits your hand and vice versa. Sights can be changed; enhancements can be made (perhaps not on duty pistols) but you need to be shooting what you will be using if your intent is to qualify quickly and impressively.
For my dollars, for CQB, Glock is #1 and I would want to play with one in the largest manageable caliber. If that is 9mm, so be it. The caliber of choice for NATO is 9mm hardball for sidearms. These guns are not intended to be used for battle but rather for fighting your way to your rifle or ammo. In the field? I would tend to go with .45ACP hollow points if you can handle .45. And there are tons of them to be looked at. Then you need to think about what SIZE of gun you are wanting. I play with everything from compact (sic) 105mm. barrel guns to full size duty guns.
Your question, as you can see from the opinions, is not a simple one to answer. YOU are the only one that can decide. I would want to be a little cautious of internal extractor 1911's, especially economy ones. I would not want to bet my life on one.... although I have loads of 1911's that I would bet my life on. Glocks? I have NEVER had any failure of any kind on ANY of my Glocks, EVER. That is a gun you can bet your life on. Accuracy is sufficient for CQB.
THANKS for the recommendation all!
and yes i am going into leo but I'm more looking for a pistol to get used to simply using a hand gun I've spent most of my shooting time on bolt action rifles.
I'm looking into all your suggestions including the glocks but keep suggestions coming I'm also looking for guns i may not yet know of to check out.
and yes i am going into leo but I'm more looking for a pistol to get used to simply using a hand gun I've spent most of my shooting time on bolt action rifles.
I'm looking into all your suggestions including the glocks but keep suggestions coming I'm also looking for guns i may not yet know of to check out.
