First 9mm

CZ pistols....

saskcop said:
Kazz, be careful, there are those who will flame you for criticizing their unergonomic plastic guns!
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While, I recommended a "plastic gun" [Glock 17]..... :eek:

I've owned a few CZ's.... they are very nice pistols, too. :cool:

I wouldn't hesitate to get another one, either.... ;)

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NAA.
 
Tokarev's are good for small handed folk.. cheap too!
ammo is SUUUPER cheap too!

as a beginner you will not be a reliably good shot.. your accuracy will be all over the place due to not having a "habitually perfect" grip.

you will learn to hold.. then build a "habitual grip" then work away at getting rid of the bad /incorrect habbits.. by then you will have your group's down to a stable size AND location... by then you will probably have a good idea of what you want..

a tokarev or Norinco is probably the best thing to get while you work to this point.

if someone jokes about your cheap gun... drop it on purpose.. then ask them to do it with their gun... lol!
 
capp325 said:
Anything other than a Glock or similar. Heavy trigger and poor ergonomics are not beginner's friends.

Personally, I feel that Sig P226 makes for a perfect first pistol.
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Glock ergonomics are a beginners best friend. The Glock gets poor reviews from the crowd who have shot everything else for years. I will say this, it is probaly the simplest ,easiest platform to train new shooters on. Finger outside the trigger guard totally safe. And after all, everyone does that till they are ready to engae your target right? No drop hammer thingys ,no cocked and rocked to worry about, no grip safety to continuosly fail to completely depress, and if your LE or Soldier, and the bad guy drops your mag in a struggle for life and death ,and you're still holding the power of life and death in your hand, the Glock will still, I say again, still put that chambered round where he/she didn't want it:eek:. How simple, how GD safe and reliable is that to field?

Is there a better LE/ service pistol in the World? I think not. And I get to own one too! :D
 
RememberTheSomme said:
Glock ergonomics are a beginners best friend. The Glock gets poor reviews from the crowd who have shot everything else for years. I will say this, it is probaly the simplest ,easiest platform to train new shooters on. Finger outside the trigger guard totally safe. And after all, everyone does that till they are ready to engae your target right? No drop hammer thingys ,no cocked and rocked to worry about, no grip safety to continuosly fail to completely depress, and if your LE or Soldier, and the bad guy drops your mag in a struggle for life and death ,and you're still holding the power of life and death in your hand, the Glock will still, I say again, still put that chambered round where he/she didn't want it:eek:. How simple, how GD safe and reliable is that to field?

Is there a better LE/ service pistol in the World? I think not. And I get to own one too! :D
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i respectfully disagree.. (not kidding.. real respect!)

there are no REAL world benefits of a glock over the tanfoglio/CZ counterparts.

a 1911 and most other guns are just as safe to carry cocked and locked regardless of what glock talkers say.. unless you plan on dropping your gun on its muzzle from 150+ feet up... you would then be a ninja.. and a gun is not your first weapon.

my grip safety has never failed me..and they dont fail... if i were to not be holding my gun firm enough for the grip safety to be disengaged i SHOULDN"T FIRE IT.

cocked and locked scares women children and glock owners because they dont know any better.. the 1911 safety will not engage unless cocked.. it is designed to work that way and be used that way.
the inner mechanism would need to be hit with a nuclear bomb or completely bubba'd beyond all recognition for it to fire this way.. just like a glock is cocked and locked.. you just dont see the hammer on a glock. so you dont know.

i do not know a gun that has a chambered round that wont fire without the mag in place..... is there 1?

I will say this tho... glock's used without remembering to keep your finger out of the trigger guard will fire while holstering as there are no other safeties.

i dont recommend a 1911 for everyone (due to taste).. but CZ"S and tanfo's are nice.. im not a polymer fan as i like to customize the look as well as tune. and i like the weight

there is no concealed carry and there are no weight or rust concerns in Canada in all practicality thanks to our laws..

there is no great advantage of ANY handgun over another other than parts availability for the majors... 1911, CZ75/85, glock...

dont let it get FIIILLLLTHY and keep it oiled and they are all ~ equal.

even on zombie day there will still be margarine, engine oil, hydraulic fluid, power steering fluid, brake fluid, human fat etc to lube and protect them from rust...
 
@kazz....regarding the magazine safety (i.e. mag must be "in" to fire a chambered round)...there are lots that have them. S&W M&P, Rugers, Browning Hi-power, Beretta's (some), etc....I don't know them all, but they are certainly out there.
 
Walther P1 is an accurate, well under $400 and still easily available. Only got an 8 rds mag but for paper it's fine. My two bits.
 
If money is a factory look for a Norinco NP-22, damn fine gun for the price! I sold mine to a guy who actually regretted buying a brand new Sig P226 after handling the NP-22 :D

Heavier than a polymer handgun though. You'd want the railed version of the NP22 as it's built way stronger than the non railed version.

Otherwise I'd say a Smith and Wesson M&P9! AMAZING firearm to say the least. Comes with two mags and three grip sizes from the factory so you can swap out to the one that feels the best. My number 1 SHTF sidearm!
 
My advice is to go to a gun store and handle them in person. We are all different when it comes to hand size, taste in style and 1000 other reasons.
 
Once I decided on a caliber (also 9mm based on a number of reasons) and handling a couple I developed a sort of short list of guns I'd like to own. It wasn't long before an M&P9 at a price I was happy with popped up on the EE and the rest is history. Don't shy away from Norinco either. In fact my next handgun will likely be a Norinco double stack 1911.

It amazes me how many what I consider to be good deals appear day after day on the EE. Its a good thing my better half keeps me on a short leash sometimes :) otherwise I'd have a house full of guns and I'd be broke.
 
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I'd like to thank everyone for thier input. All very usefull information. I must agree with going out to some gun shops and handling some.
I do own two hand guns and both are revolvers. Ona a .22 and one a .45LC. I just thought a semi would be a fun addition for the range. I am looking to keep the expenses down. Defineteley will look at Norinco and M&P. I must say I do like the look of the CZ's although I have no idea what they feel like. I am more of a rifle shooter so handguns are a bit of a backseat for me. Learning more and more everyday. I believe this will be quite a long process for me. Once again a big thanks for everyone's input. Paul.
 
I bought a used Glock 17 as my first 9mm. Im never selling it. Its my workhorse/beater.I think the M&P feels better in the hand and am considering a .40cal,,,,,but im still never selling the Glock!!! They feel like a bit of a brick in the hand but you get used to it.
 
S&W 629 4.2". If you get comfortable/accurate with it in single action, every other handgun you handle after it will come naturally.
Worked for me, anyway:)
But seriously, for your first, something cheap to buy, comfortable to hold.
Norinco or bersa or star. You might find handguns just aren't your thing.
 
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Well if price is an issue consider the Girsan made in Turkey on CNC Equipment supplied by Beretta. They make a copy of the 92FS and the Beretta Centurian. The latter has a 4.25" barrel on a FS frame. I got mine off the EE, as new for $450. The example I have is as good as it gets. Reliable, accurate and finish is as good as any other pistol I have owned and better than some. New both examples sell for under $600.

If price isn't then the M&P, CZ 75B, 92FS and Glock 17 would be my next price point. I would not buy new though., The price gap between new and used is just to great in my mind right now. Paying $900 -$1n00 for a Glock 17 is just ridiculous IMHO. I know it is the dollar but the value in my opinion is just not there at that price point.

The 9mm in any of the above represents a life time purchase for most and you can't go wrong with any of them. Find one you like and go shoot.

Take Care

Bob
 
Cz 75. Great gun. If you like Tupperware guns and not steel , m&p 9mm.

I'm pretty sure the CZ pistol is the most Carried pistol in military and LE world wide.

I've owned many glocks(sold them) and M&p's and 1911's but I think a good starter would be the CZ 75.
 
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