First batch of 223. Trouble with heavy bullet

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I’m starting to build up loads for my 783 in .223. 1-9 twist is what I found on the internet. It loves 40 grain vmax, patterns 53 grain vmax like a shotgun with factory ammo so I tried some 60 gr soft points which shot ok and some 68gr that I expected great things from and ended up moving up to about 30 yards from the target to finally have the bullet keyhole 7 inches away from the bullseye. These were starting loads. 23 gr of cfe 223. Do you think a hotter load would improve stability? Or should I stick with the 60’s?
 
Your load is way too weak. Get a reloading manual.
The max loading from sierra for a 69 is 26.3 grains of CFE 223.
Start at 24.5 and go up with your 68 in .2 or .3 grains steps. If you start to encounter pressure sign before reaching max..stop.

Your 53 grains bullet has a max load of 27.7 of CFE 223. Under-load will get you nowhere.
Pick one bullet and develop a load - shooting a ladder.. load 5 rounds of 25.6,25.9,26.2 ect.. until you reach max or pressure sign. Usually you find a good load somewhere 1.5 grains below max but there is no fix rules. You must load and shoot.
 
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What Juneau said.wnd really try to pick one bullet and work with it,with the goal of making it better,then move on or you will just bounce around without a plan.
 
OP, the lighter bullets shoot better because they are spinning fast enough to stabilize, which is what the other replies are alluding to.

The heavier/longer bullets need to spin faster to stabilize adequately.

According to Ganderite, who is a CGN member and did some tests for I believe Savage to determine the slowest twist rate that would stabilize heavier bullets, say up to 77 grains was determined to be and at what velocities.

They determined that the 1-9 twist was a good all around twist rate for most purposes.

With the exception of the 40 grain VMax, your load is to mild to produce enough velocity, which also increases the spin of the bullet.

I have a couple of 223 rifles. One is an older Ruger No1, with a 1-14 twist rate and it will not shoot any bullet well over 55 grains. Even the 55 grain monometal bullets won't stabilize when fired from that lovely rifle, no matter how fast you can safely shoot them.

The other rifle I have is a bolt action. Not spectacularly accurate with anything but good enough for hunting coyotes and ground squirrels at reasonable ranges, out to around 300 yards.

I wanted to shoot heavier bullets, simply because I picked up a couple of thousand 77 grn Sierra match bullets very cheap. At the velocities I was loading them to, they were all over the place, doing the same thing as the bullets from your rifle did.

Ganderite informed me that the 77 grain Sierra bullets I was shooting should stabilize in my 1-9 twist rifle, if I pushed the bullets to 2900+fps. This is easily done safely. He was absolutely correct with this information and those bullets shoot better than any others out of my rifle.

Since that time, I've played with a couple of other 224 caliber rifles and have started using 2900fps as a base velocity to start with.

They don't have to be pushed that fast with rifles that have a 1-7 or 1-8 twist rate as more spin is induced at lower velocities.

IMHO, if you get your bullets moving around 2900 to 3000 feet per second, all should be well.
 
Thanks guys, that’s what I was thinking might be the problem. I’ll try building up the charge on the 68 gr bullets to see if they stabilize. The 53 gr ones were factory federal loads from the varmit series and I still have no clue why the rifle hates them so much but I can live with that.
 
If you can, try some 69 SMK's - they are outstanding in a 9 twist. Longer bearing surface so easy to stabilize.

I don't know if the longer bearing surface has that much to do with stabilizing the bullet?

I believe it's more about the overall length. I find that some bullets with flat bases and round noses will stabilize just fine, but a bullet built to the SPBT configuration won't, even though the jackets have obturated fully into the rifling, which induces the spin on the bullet.
 
45 gr Winchester white box is so far the only factory ammo that I can shoot accurately out of my heavy barrel 783. I haven't reloaded for it yet because I am somewhat lazy but I do agree with the above statements, it is most likely a velocity, spin issue with the heavier stuff.
 
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