First gun question. Please help

You don't need to be a gun club member to purchase the firearm but you certainly do in order to get your long term ATT. You'll need to be a full time member of the club before they will apply for the ATT for you.
 
You'll be able to get a short-term ATT to take the gun home from the store. But you won't be able to get your long-term ATT until you're a member of a range.

In this situation the STATT would only be good for one day. Once you're a member of a club and have applied for a LTATT it'll be good for 5 years.

How long it could take until you can take it home varies - it could be a day, it could be two weeks. Since you're in Ontario, it'll probably be closer to two weeks.
 
Purchasing - but not taking possession of it - it is one thing. Having it legally transferred to you - so that you can take legal possession of it - is quite another.

To complete the legal transfer the Government of Canada first may require you to prove membership in an approved shooting club.

There are single-use (short-term) Authorizations To Transport and there are standing (long-term) Authorizations To Transport.Once the transfer has been approved you may need a single-use (aka short-term) Authorization To Transport (for the specified purpose; i.e: to move it from where it is to where it is going to be). If you intend to target shoot with the firearm too, you will also need a standing (aka long-term) Authorization To Transport (for the specified purpose; i.e.: for target shooting).

The bottom line is that the law requires you to prove your legitimize need for a restricted firearm. The Government of Canada expects you to be a member of an approved shooting club. You will have to join an approved shooting club. The sooner you join an approved shooting club the smoother will be all of your interactions with government (vis a vis restricted firearms).
 
Since you are new to shooting, I _strongly_ suggest you to start out with a .22 instead of a 9mm. Cheaper to buy, much, much cheaper to fire.

Unless you have lots of available cash (unlikely, since you are saving for the G17) .22 is the clear winner if you want to become proficient with the handgun. If you just want it for jiggles and the once-per-month use, then I guess 9mm is fine.

Case in point:
For the same price (~$15), you can either fire 50 rnds of 9mm or ~300 of .22

Just my 0.02

(plenty of threads on first handguns around here too)

Whatever you choose, welcome aboard!
 
buy a .22 for your first gun & practice till you get good, then buy the big boys. The .22 will be easier to learn on due to low recoil, noise & price. I like Ruger .22s.
 
If you are in Quebec you need to be member of a club to Get your ATT. The SQ wont do the transfer and you will not get any transport paper if you dont have a valid club membership. You will need to take the Anastasia law course also.
 
markos_chaos said:
Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm really stubborn and would prefer to get the g17. I understand why it'd be smart to start off with a .22 but I'm really interested in that pistol. Like I said price isn't really an issue, I'm in school full time and work as well so I don't think I'll be going too often initially until the semesters over so I don't think I'll have too much time to go right now. With price, like I said I'm going to do reloading so price wont be a problem for me. With recoil I think I can work with it, I'm 6'3 180 pounds if that influences it at all. noise isn't a big deal, I bought ear plugs as well as ear muffs already.

Sorry if I seem unappreciative of your advise. I really am thankful that your giving me your time and opinion, but like I said I'm stubborn and I had my mind set on that exact model for a while.
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No prob! As a friend of mine uses to say "I'm neither your mom, nor your wife; as long as I told you once, I have done my part" :)

Even with reloading, 9mm is going to cost you ~3 times more than .22.

I have seen far too many people coming to the range with their brand spanking new centerfire pistol (yeah, usually a G17/G19) and can't even hit the paper at 7 yards. 100 shots later they are $30 short in ammo, have hit the paper maybe 10 times and leave frustrated.
I went with .22 first and 6 months later got (not upgraded, just added) a G22.

Hope it turns out good for you.

As for the original questions, the others have given good inputs.
 
Hey Domyalex, I did the same thing (well, actually doing it now). Was all set ot buy a 1911 clone, then fortunately, I had a buddy here turn my head around. The advantage i had was, he brought me some heavy hitters to try. According to him, I did pretty good with my first try, but man whatta bang!! I've hunted with 30-06 and 30-30s before, but nothing prepared me for the different kick a pistol gives. Pretty soon, I was flinching! We kinda cured that flinch, but then he opened my eyes to how much all that little shooting would cost me. :eek: And everything he had was reloaded....40, 45, 38 etc.

So when the first deal came up for a Ruger Mark III 22/45, I jumped at it! :D The ammo was so cheap that the guy I bought it from threw in 100 rounds just for fun (well, plus the fact he wouldn't be needing it too). Last night, I was at the range and just blew away 185 rounds...and these were all different types that I wanted to try out with my new toy. Total cost? $12.

Heck, this is like buying a vw rabbit back then! Cheap, small car, but boy ever fun to drive and gave great gas mileage!

I reckon I'll run at least a couple of thousand rounds out of this little Ruger, start hitting bullseyes at 25M before I move up to a 40 or 45 1911. And by then, I'd be expecting zero flinch and a (hopefully) seamless transition. :dancingbanana::dancingbanana:

Happy shooting!!
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domyalex said:
No prob! As a friend of mine uses to say "I'm neither your mom, nor your wife; as long as I told you once, I have done my part" :)

Even with reloading, 9mm is going to cost you ~3 times more than .22.

I have seen far too many people coming to the range with their brand spanking new centerfire pistol (yeah, usually a G17/G19) and can't even hit the paper at 7 yards. 100 shots later they are $30 short in ammo, have hit the paper maybe 10 times and leave frustrated.
I went with .22 first and 6 months later got (not upgraded, just added) a G22.

Hope it turns out good for you.

As for the original questions, the others have given good inputs.
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markos_chaos said:
Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm really stubborn and would prefer to get the g17. I understand why it'd be smart to start off with a .22 but I'm really interested in that pistol. Like I said price isn't really an issue, I'm in school full time and work as well so I don't think I'll be going too often initially until the semesters over so I don't think I'll have too much time to go right now. With price, like I said I'm going to do reloading so price wont be a problem for me. With recoil I think I can work with it, I'm 6'3 180 pounds if that influences it at all. noise isn't a big deal, I bought ear plugs as well as ear muffs already.

Sorry if I seem unappreciative of your advise. I really am thankful that your giving me your time and opinion, but like I said I'm stubborn and I had my mind set on that exact model for a while.
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Well I think a Glock is a good pick, Glock have been book marked as a good choice of first gun and the last only one gun that you want to keep. I have a G17 and I highly recommend, the G17 is not the best gun in the world, at least not better than my CZ but it is supper easy to handle and easy to shoot well. As for the ammo cost, shooting sport itself is not cheap. I am not a friend of .22 as a first gun but it is good for people who lost job but still want to hand around at the range. Many people will settle with Glock so as many people will settle with CZ, I have both and like them both, one ugly and one beautiful, so I have a demon and a angel:D Think about reload, it is fun and cost saving.

Trigun
 
Recoil from a 9mm isn't likely to bother a large young male (that's you OP) the cost of ammo being what it is, you're smart to look into reloading. Reloading is one thing that most folks who shoot a lot don't do soon enough. It's not that reloading makes ammo dirt cheap (although it is much cheaper) it's that it allows you to break the cost down into smaller chunks - primers one week, bullets the next, powder every six weeks or however much you need- almost like buying cases (and cases and cases) of ammo on an instalment plan. You do need to be a club member though, not just from the permits and paper aspect of things, the support and assistance you will get from the club as far as advice and encouragement are vital. Also if you're a shooter it's good to be around others who shoot and who share your interests, given what we as a community are expected to put up with in Canada it's nice to be able to hang out with people who don't freak when you're looking at a new gun or gadget. Good choice on the Glock, it'll last you a long time and serve you well.
 
Here is another suggestion. While you are waiting to be able to take possession, why not pick up a pellet pistol?

One the biggest things in learning to shoot is simply feeling comfortable handling a firearm, and that includes knowing where the barrel is pointed at all times. It has to become subconscious, and that only happens with practice.
 
I am originalkly from Brampton and currently living in St. Catharines. There is a club up this way called Silverdale I go to that is absolutely awesome. I have a couple friends in Brampton taking their courses in March and they sould be coming up this way once a week at least to shoot. If you want to come up this way let me know Ill bring you as a guest anytime. Oh and I have a G17.
 
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