First hand gun .357 or .45 lc ?

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image.jpgimage.jpgimage.jpgHello , I just sent my RPAL app in, and am now going to buy my first handgun from wolverine. Question is ,do any body have any opinions on either of these,Taylor,si smokewagon delux .357 mag/ uberti1873 cattleman .357/ ruger vaquero .357 mag. Just going to be for fun,also do all three have the four click ####? And do you prefer .357 mag or .45 LC?.... Thanks..... Brian
 

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Both calibres are fun! If you get a Ruger in 45 Colt I'd suggest a Blackhawk, Super Blackhawk, or old Bisley VAQUERO so you don't have to limit the selection as much. If you don't reload 45 Colt factory ammo can be a little harder to find at times and more expensive .
 
Doc Rainbow said:
Both calibres are fun! If you get a Ruger in 45 Colt I'd suggest a Blackhawk, Super Blackhawk, or old Bisley VAQUERO so you don't have to limit the selection as much. If you don't reload 45 Colt factory ammo can be a little harder to find at times and more expensive .
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I read , that the ruger don't have the four click hammer ####.
 
The Rugers are good guns for the money. There are basically two styles of single actions in Ruger the Bisley griped Varquero and the normal grip Blackhawks. The Varquero's have no rear sights that can be adjusted so that is an issue. The new Varquero's are a lot smaller than the old style so not as tough. The Bisely grips are a superior grip for most people but adding a rubber grip to the Blackhawk solves the issue.

The .45 Colt (or called Long Colt) is a great round, maybe the oldest still going cartridge out there. It isn't dying anytime soon. This round is used in cowboy action shooting and can be downloaded or uploaded as required. If you wanted you could upload the round to .44 Mag power with out much trouble in a Blackhawk gun. One other thing is you can buy a Ruger Blackhawk convertible gun that shoots .45 ACP and .45 Colt this is kind of cool.

The .38 Special/.357 Mag has a lot going for it as well. The .38 Special is basically the same power as a 9mm round and cheaper to shoot than the .357. When you want a little more fun the .357 Mag is much more powerful. To get more power than a .357 Mag you need to go above a .40S&W I think. It might be close but the .357 has a lot of balls. The same projectile could be used in both rounds but I use jacketed bullets in .357 Mag and lead in .38 Special due to higher velocities. Another option with the Ruger is a convertible that gives you 9mm/.38S/.357Mag in the same gun. A fun set of choices. The Rugers are not a true copy of the Colt SAA for good reason. To be safe you should only load 5 rounds in a true SAA due to the hammer being able to fire off a round by accident. The Rugers designed this issue out of their guns years ago.

You would enjoy both of these calibers but for a first choice the .38S/.357Mag would be better I think. A lot more kick bigger bang from a .45 Colt. Try to get a friend to sit with you for a few reloading sessions to help you through the learning process. There a few things that can go wrong and an experienced person can set you straight.
 
rustynut1 said:
The Rugers are good guns for the money. There are basically two styles of single actions in Ruger the Bisley griped Varquero and the normal grip Blackhawks. The Varquero's have no rear sights that can be adjusted so that is an issue. The new Varquero's are a lot smaller than the old style so not as tough. The Bisely grips are a superior grip for most people but adding a rubber grip to the Blackhawk solves the issue.

The .45 Colt (or called Long Colt) is a great round, maybe the oldest still going cartridge out there. It isn't dying anytime soon. This round is used in cowboy action shooting and can be downloaded or uploaded as required. If you wanted you could upload the round to .44 Mag power with out much trouble in a Blackhawk gun. One other thing is you can buy a Ruger Blackhawk convertible gun that shoots .45 ACP and .45 Colt this is kind of cool.

The .38 Special/.357 Mag has a lot going for it as well. The .38 Special is basically the same power as a 9mm round and cheaper to shoot than the .357. When you want a little more fun the .357 Mag is much more powerful. To get more power than a .357 Mag you need to go above a .40S&W I think. It might be close but the .357 has a lot of balls. The same projectile could be used in both rounds but I use jacketed bullets in .357 Mag and lead in .38 Special due to higher velocities. Another option with the Ruger is a convertible that gives you 9mm/.38S/.357Mag in the same gun. A fun set of choices. The Rugers are not a true copy of the Colt SAA for good reason. To be safe you should only load 5 rounds in a true SAA due to the hammer being able to fire off a round by accident. The Rugers designed this issue out of their guns years ago.

You would enjoy both of these calibers but for a first choice the .38S/.357Mag would be better I think. A lot more kick bigger bang from a .45 Colt. Try to get a friend to sit with you for a few reloading sessions to help you through the learning process. There a few things that can go wrong and an experienced person can set you straight.
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I'm wanting this type of gun for my first handgun , if the real colt saa wasn't so pricey ,I'd get it. I'm not considering the cal conversion because,I plan on a.22, 9mm also ,this yr. next yr I'll ,hopefully get the real colt saa in antique. As to reloading ,I'm waiting on the equipment to start for .223. I'll be a new reloader. I'm really set on the colt saa clone, and after some thought ,I'll go .45 LC . Thanks for the reply.... Now to try and find a holster. :)
 
To the OP if you really must have a SAA and they are fun guns go with the El Patron in .357mag. Shooting 38spl is going to be way less expensive every way you work it. The El Patrone and the Tayler gun you quote are a step above the Cattleman series and are tuned up a bit by the factory. I have an El Patrone in .357mag and a Cattleman in 45LC and the El Patron is simply better finished with a better sight for me. The guns are carbon copies pretty much of the Colt and IMHO the Uberti is likely put together better than a current or past Colt product.

Take Care

Bob
 
I've had the 45colt/acp combo and I got rid of it after a couple of YEARS trying to get it to shoot to poa- finally ended up taking some meat off that statue of liberty front sight- lucky for me I also had an old army to compare sight heights to - I knew the old army shot to poa, so there isn't that much difference between the two- first gun- ? 357 something with a DOUBLE action- the old 4 inch police smith was ideal- now- ruger gp100 in 5 inch STAINLESS- I found single action far too slow to load
 
t-star said:
I've had the 45colt/acp combo and I got rid of it after a couple of YEARS trying to get it to shoot to poa- finally ended up taking some meat off that statue of liberty front sight- lucky for me I also had an old army to compare sight heights to - I knew the old army shot to poa, so there isn't that much difference between the two- first gun- ? 357 something with a DOUBLE action- the old 4 inch police smith was ideal- now- ruger gp100 in 5 inch STAINLESS- I found single action far too slow to load
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I have had the exact same issues you had with the .45Colt/.45ACP Ruger. I have yet to trim the front sight but it is going to be necessary. I had a S&W 625 that I sold and bought the Ruger. I ended up getting another 625. Way different but the S&W was almost 3 times the money and a used gun to boot. BUT the .45 Colt round is a lot of fun. Like that round a lot. I think the bottom line with these multi calibre guns is that each round is so different that you can't make the gun shoot accurate with each of the different rounds, than there is the reloading differences and projectile weights. I don't use accurate and hand guns in the same sentence!
 
You have to follow your heart, and drag your wallet along kicking and screaming ;)

My first single action (not my first handgun) was in 45 Colt. It's a blast.

If you have any aspirations of loading black powder I would suggest the 44-40. It's a thinner case and seals much better than the 45.

But if you don't think you'll go black, then go for the 45. If you like single actions then you'll end up with the 44-40 down the road anyway. Lol

It's not a .357, but the open top revolvers in .38 special are cool little guns.

For a .357 I'd go Ruger and hot rod the crap out of it.

Do some research on how to properly hold a single action. It can make a big difference in comfort and group sizes. It's a different sort of beast. I love em, personally. I pour less lead down range and enjoy myself more at the same time.
 
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