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Thanks for your input. I currently see used F16s, 692 sports, 725 sports and Summit sports available on the market. I would love to find a 682 Gold E sport somewhere. I think that people hold onto them for a reason.
 
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The 682 Gold E is a great gun but if you look long enough you should be able to get a good one for under $3K, at least in western Canada. You could make my wife an offer for her 30 inch Gold E but I doubt if she'd let it go unless it was a really good offer!
I sold my 692 for $3500 a year ago after paying $3600 for it and shooting it for 2 years, another great gun! Don't pass up a CG Summit sporting either, I have one in 20 g and it's a really nice gun.
 
I am tempted by the first one. I wonder what model it is trap, skeet or sporting.

If price was even for them all, would it change your recommendation? Online, I see a CG Summit Limited for $3K, Beretta 692 Sporting for $3.3K, Browning Citori 725 Sporting $3.4, Blaser F16 Fusion Sporting $3.4, 682 Gold E $3k -$3.2K on EE.
 
The first one SHOULD be either a sporting model or maybe a skeet model. If it is a trap model then it SHOULD be listed as a 682X. There's only one way for you to find out...... And the only difference in the Gold E sporting vs skeet model is the sporting has a Schnabel fore end and the skeet has a semi beaver tail fore end. The 30 inch skeet 682 works fine for sporting.
 
Maritime Storm. I would be using it mostly for sporting clays and occasional trap.

Falconflyer. Your feedback is truly appreciated. I am torn between the CG and the 692. I would've grabbed the 692 but reviews are hit and miss. I haven't heard many bad reviews of the CG though or their customer suppport.
 
In that case, you are probably better suited with a Sporting or Trap gun. Skeet guns are designed to shoot flat, which is okay for sporting, but not ideal for shooting Trap. A Sporting gun and a Trap are generally set up to print above line of sight.
 
Maritime Storm said:
In that case, you are probably better suited with a Sporting or Trap gun. Skeet guns are designed to shoot flat, which is okay for sporting, but not ideal for shooting Trap. A Sporting gun and a Trap are generally set up to print above line of sight.
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I find that my sporting shotguns shoot flat, like my skeet guns. That includes my K-20, F-3, and my Brownings.
 
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anoxia; What will you be using it for? Fit is king.
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THIS!!! If this is your first O/U, your main concern should be fit and not brand. A lot of people, including myself, have gone through this and purchased guns based on quality and reputation before determining if the gun was a proper fitting gun....only to find out later that another brand fit better. I would suggest going to a store that has a lot of options that you can handle and shoulder before making a decision. I have found that if a Beretta fits you well, that a Browning wont. And vice versa. Its an expensive lesson to learn if you buy the wrong one.

From personal experience, I owned all Italian guns when I started shooting. Beretta’s, Benelli’s, Franchi’s. And while I liked them and still own some of them, I found that Brownings we a much better fit for me. In order to improve my shooting, I needed to switch brands and there was a cost to doing so, not just in firearms cost, but in ammo costs as well. Better to figure it out first before committing money toward the wrong tools for the job
 
anoxia said:
Maritime Storm. I would be using it mostly for sporting clays and occasional trap.

Falconflyer. Your feedback is truly appreciated. I am torn between the CG and the 692. I would've grabbed the 692 but reviews are hit and miss. I haven't heard many bad reviews of the CG though or their customer suppport.
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The 692 had some problems very early on with the tang screws breaking. One thing they changed on the 692 from the 682 is they eliminated the screw in front of the trigger guard that holds the trigger assembly to the frame. This piece is finely machined and is sort of a tension fit using the rear screw only to hold the whole assembly together. I think it put too much stress on the tang screw and the result were failures of the screw. Beretta addressed the problem early on and I haven't heard or read of tang screws breaking in a long time and in fact, Beretta has carried the same one bolt system over into the new 694. This is not something that would worry me or keep me from buying a 692 as the bolts that broke seemed to do it in the first few shots from being new.
The other problem with the 692 involved the selectable ejector/extractors. They have 2 small O rings on them and when they get a bit worn then the selector screw is able to turn by it'self so the ejectors stop working properly. If they get really worn then the ejector can flop around and eventually get damaged. The fix for this is easy. Order a small bag of M1x3 Buna O rings from amazon.ca and replace them every five thousand rounds and make sure you put lots of grease around them when you do. I had no trouble with mine in the couple of years that I had it and is something I'd put up with on an otherwise extremely nice gun.
The CG guns seem to have very few problems and about the only one I'm aware of that seems to pop up every once in a while is loose fore ends and I have seen this on a couple of guns. I'd assume that there is a relatively easy fix for this but I don't know that for certain. I presently have two CG's, a Summit sporting in 20 g and a Tempio light in 12 g, both are low round count guns but they are very nicely finished and handle beautifully.
 
1963beretta said:
THIS!!! If this is your first O/U, your main concern should be fit and not brand. A lot of people, including myself, have gone through this and purchased guns based on quality and reputation before determining if the gun was a proper fitting gun....only to find out later that another brand fit better. I would suggest going to a store that has a lot of options that you can handle and shoulder before making a decision. I have found that if a Beretta fits you well, that a Browning wont. And vice versa. Its an expensive lesson to learn if you buy the wrong one.

From personal experience, I owned all Italian guns when I started shooting. Beretta’s, Benelli’s, Franchi’s. And while I liked them and still own some of them, I found that Brownings we a much better fit for me. In order to improve my shooting, I needed to switch brands and there was a cost to doing so, not just in firearms cost, but in ammo costs as well. Better to figure it out first before committing money toward the wrong tools for the job
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Exactly! I was fortunate that my first shotgun, an 870 fit me, then I purchased a Beretta 302 that didn't fit me at all, and I shot poorly, until I took a rasp to the comb. Then when I was introduced to skeet, a few members of the club let me use their guns, and I discovered that the Citori skeet guns were pretty much a perfect fit for me. Then after shooting many Citori shotguns, over 25 years or so, I switched to a K-20, and an F-3, that both required some wood to be removed from the combs to get them to fit.
The best advice that I can give, is to go to a skeet or trap club, and hopefully some members are willing to let you try their shotguns, to see what fits, before you spend money on a shotgun.
 
stubbblejumper and 1963beretta. After following numerous posts the resounding response is always fit first. In my original post here, I noted that I had the chance to shoulder a couple of them namely the CG Magnus, 692, 725 and the 868 SP but only fire the 725 and 868. From first impressions, the 692 and CG Magnus felt good. I didn't feel the 725 was as good a fit and the 868 was alright just not as natural as the 692 or the CG. Understanding that the CG Summit and Magnus are different shotguns, I've read that they are mechanically the same except for some adornments. I would love to hit it out of the park right at the gate but the pragmatic side of me thinks that as I develop actual good skills and drills my choice of shotgun will likely change as well. Like most have noted, used b-guns typically hold their value so if I need to upgrade in a year or two I'll convince the wife we both need to upgrade. Seriously though, I truly appreciate your feedback. My debate seems to be down to CG Summit or the 692.
 
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Falconflyer said:
The 692 had some problems very early on with the tang screws breaking. One thing they changed on the 692 from the 682 is they eliminated the screw in front of the trigger guard that holds the trigger assembly to the frame. This piece is finely machined and is sort of a tension fit using the rear screw only to hold the whole assembly together. I think it put too much stress on the tang screw and the result were failures of the screw. Beretta addressed the problem early on and I haven't heard or read of tang screws breaking in a long time and in fact, Beretta has carried the same one bolt system over into the new 694. This is not something that would worry me or keep me from buying a 692 as the bolts that broke seemed to do it in the first few shots from being new.
The other problem with the 692 involved the selectable ejector/extractors. They have 2 small O rings on them and when they get a bit worn then the selector screw is able to turn by it'self so the ejectors stop working properly. If they get really worn then the ejector can flop around and eventually get damaged. The fix for this is easy. Order a small bag of M1x3 Buna O rings from amazon.ca and replace them every five thousand rounds and make sure you put lots of grease around them when you do. I had no trouble with mine in the couple of years that I had it and is something I'd put up with on an otherwise extremely nice gun.
The CG guns seem to have very few problems and about the only one I'm aware of that seems to pop up every once in a while is loose fore ends and I have seen this on a couple of guns. I'd assume that there is a relatively easy fix for this but I don't know that for certain. I presently have two CG's, a Summit sporting in 20 g and a Tempio light in 12 g, both are low round count guns but they are very nicely finished and handle beautifully.
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Thanks for the info. Unfortunately I don't know the year of the 692 online. I guess I can try and get the year of proof but you are making me want the CG more and more. They are a great looking and feeling shotgun.
 
Both will serve you well in the long run, if it were me, the Caesar Guerini would be coming home. They tend to have nicer wood and engraving, the long-term durability is about the same, the Beretta may hold it's value better as the Caesar Guerinis are less common.
 
anoxia said:
stubbblejumper and 1963beretta. After following numerous posts the resounding response is always fit first. In my original post here, I noted that I had the chance to shoulder a couple of them namely the CG Magnus, 692, 725 and the 868 SP but only fire the 725 and 868. From first impressions, the 692 and CG Magnus felt good. I didn't feel the 725 was as good a fit and the 868 was alright just not as natural as the 692 or the CG. Understanding that the CG Summit and Magnus are different shotguns, I've read that they are mechanically the same except for some adornments. I would love to hit it out of the park right at the gate but the pragmatic side of me thinks that as I develop actual good skills and drills my choice of shotgun will likely change as well. Like most have noted, used b-guns typically hold their value so if I need to upgrade in a year or two I'll convince the wife we both need to upgrade. Seriously though, I truly appreciate your feedback. My debate seems to be down to CG Summit or the 692.
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I wouldn't rule out the 682 Gold E either, it's essentially a 692 without any of the 692 issues.
 
jmichelin84 said:
Which over under did you get? I just got a Russian one, I love it, it's purdy
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It’s been a few months now, I picked up a 690 black 32 inch barrel it has been an awesome gun and amazing to shoot I did add the beretta geltek check pad to help with fit and added some weight to the stock to help with balance as I found it a bit barrel heavy for my liking recently I added he kick ez pad to help me shoot over the 150 mark to minimize fatigue, it added a pit to my length of pull but I am really happy with the fit.

The past weekend I shot a friends 692 30 inch and man it was really really nice to shoot
 
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