First Precision Rifle

GDavies

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Hey guys I want to get into long distance shooting I have $900 to spend on a gun then a few hundred for a scope, want to spend around $1200 on eveything. What type of gun should I be looking at and in what caliber. The range in Kamloops B.C goes up to 500 meters. I was looking at remington 700 SPS varmints, but I need some thoughts on what to get. Also what caliber should I get all im doing is paper punching no hunting.

Thx
Greg
 
Hi Greg,

It might be worth popping in to the powderkeg and speaking with Mark. He is the current fullbore director at KTSA and he can certainly make several good suggestions.

The good news (and the bad news) about buying factory rifles is they all pretty much shoot the same. Some individual rifles shoot better than others, but that is luck of the draw. Armed with that knowledge, you needen't blow the whole wad on a rifle in the belief it will shoot better. A $500 SPS is as good a shooter as a $1500 Weatherby.

I would suggest a .223 caliber SPS Varmint, or A model 12 or 10 Savage if you are buying new.

If you would like a turn-key rig with the whole works in a competition-ready rifle, there is a Savage F/TR in 308 with all the trimmings for sale in the CGN equipment exchange.. Savage target rifles are superb and while the 308 is a bit more cartridge than the 223, it is accurate and the barrels last a very long time indeed.

We have a winter league shoot on Sundays starting in December at Kamloops. This is a totally fun drop-in f-class style shoot that would be the perfect venue to come out, meet the target shooters in Kamloops and help you get started with your precision shooting addiction.
 
Hi Greg,

It might be worth popping in to the powderkeg and speaking with Mark. He is the current fullbore director at KTSA and he can certainly make several good suggestions.

The good news (and the bad news) about buying factory rifles is they all pretty much shoot the same. Some individual rifles shoot better than others, but that is luck of the draw. Armed with that knowledge, you needen't blow the whole wad on a rifle in the belief it will shoot better. A $500 SPS is as good a shooter as a $1500 Weatherby.

I would suggest a .223 caliber SPS Varmint, or A model 12 or 10 Savage if you are buying new.

If you would like a turn-key rig with the whole works in a competition-ready rifle, there is a Savage F/TR in 308 with all the trimmings for sale in the CGN equipment exchange.. Savage target rifles are superb and while the 308 is a bit more cartridge than the 223, it is accurate and the barrels last a very long time indeed.

We have a winter league shoot on Sundays starting in December at Kamloops. This is a totally fun drop-in f-class style shoot that would be the perfect venue to come out, meet the target shooters in Kamloops and help you get started with your precision shooting addiction.

Just wanted to say that this was a great post and a prime example of what CGN is all about! Cheers! :cheers:
 
The SPS varmint is an excellant rifle to start out with. Not too much of an initial investment and allows you too upgrade it in the future when your skills have outgrown the factory barrel.

The best all around scope will have to be the Bushnell 3200 10x Tactical scope - you can't kill those things - and it'll have lots of moa for 500m for sure.

Get a nice set of steel rings and base and you can have a really nice beginner rifle for about what you want to spend, and have a little bit left for some ammo to feed it.

HTH, Carl
 
I don't have alot of experience with precision shooting but if you look a couple of posts down it shows what my savage can do right out of the box. and price is good savage model 12FVSS 680$ plus tax + shipping
model 12FV 590$ plus tax + shipping both prices are from wholesale sports..


P.S holy crap the price at SIR for the 12FVSS .223 is 845$ and 12FV is 680$ :runaway: shop around the shops that have new stock will likely be more expensive
 
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I don’t have alot of precision shooting experience but a friend owns a Ruger M77 Hawkeye stainless steel in 300 Win Mag with a Bushnell Elite 3200 with milldots and at 700 yards some 3 shot groups were less than an 1 and 1/2 inches. It was broken in with a very stringent process, shoot 3 clean, shoot 3 more clean. Clean only with solvents and patches no brushes. I’m building some 1000 yard targets for next spring.
I have a Browning Bar in 270 win that consistently rings a 14" 500 yard gong with a Leupold VXII 3-9X40. It does so with my own hand loads.
Once you start shooting long distances it becomes addictive!!
 
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If you've already got a good .22...
Buy a cheap rifle, a good scope and lots of ammo.
The good scope and lots of trigger-time will make a bigger difference to your long range shooting that a great gun.

And maybe a beginning reloading set-up.
 
DO NOT buy a 300 as your first target rifle. Many others on here will agree that starting with a catridge like that develops bad habits for new shooters.

Start small and work up like a .223, or .243 or even .308 is still relatively small when it comes to recoil. For each there is a massive bullet selection if you get into reloading so you can customize your ammo.

Tha Savage target rifles are amazing but so are their model 10 and 12 line as suggested above. The Bushnell 3200 10x tactical is also a good suggestion and is very capable of reaching 500 yards. Check Frontier Firearms on this website... he usually has some package deals available for both, the clearance section of his website is a good start.

My suggestion, and its just that a suggestion, would be start with a Savage 12 or 10 for $600, a Bushnell scope for $300, and then drop the rest on some reloading gear so you can afford a lot of trigger time.

Practice is the best investment when it comes to precision shooting. An expensive rifle will never replace time behind the trigger.
 
I totally agree with CP... Magnum anything is a foolish way to start shooting. They hurt, they kick and they're expensive to feed and they have lousy barrel life. I've been shooting a long time and I don't even like them.
 
My first "precision rifle" was a 700 ADL in .222. I went custom by purchasing a 24" Gaillard barrel and installed a fixed 12X Leupold. Once this barrel was installed and the action trued and bedded I could scarcely believe what I could do with this rifle. On a still day shooting at a hanging 5/16" chain at 100 yards, I could cut the links and call which side of the link I would cut first. With match bullets and tweaked brass it was a true quarter minute rifle. It was totally unimpressed by changes in loads and shot virtually everything well, the exception being Winchester 55 gr FMJ bulk bullets, but nothing shoots those things well.

Later I blew a wad of cash on a full custom .308, McMillan stock, Jewell trigger, Krieger barrel, S&B scope, and on and on, anyway this thing shoots and it should, but not so much better than the little ADL, considering the difference in cost. The .308 weighs about 20 pounds and the .222 weighed about 10.

For what you need the .223 is a better choice. There is more loading data around for the .223, particularly data for heavy bullets that you will want for long range shooting. I would hunt around for well used M-700 hunting rifle that you can buy cheap, salvage the action and stock, and build your target gun from that. Your budget is tight, but I think its doable. Sometimes a gunsmith will have a barrel lying around that a customer ordered and couldn't pay for and is willing to deal on. You can find good used scopes at reasonable prices in the EE. Fixed power scopes are cheaper than variables, and a fixed 10X or 12X will do you fine. Too much magnification though is a pain on days with thick mirage. Don't cheap out on the mounts, you don't need to spend $500 on them, they don't need to be detachable, but they must be rock solid.

This will get you in the game, and as you can afford it, because you have a sound basis to build from, you can improve the rifle over time. You will probably be loading heavy bullets on the long side, so a single shot adapter might be useful, I liked it in my target rifles that I don't load from the magazine. I remove the plunger from my target gun bolt faces to ensure the round is sitting square in the chamber, but you might find this is more of a pain than a help. It does slow ejecting, particularly a round you haven't fired. If you are handy your can bed the action yourself, but if you end up with a wood stock or a cheap plastic stock, pillar bedding is a better choice and a gunsmith can perform this easier than the home handyman unless you have a well equipped shop. Once you get your donor rifle, get a quote from a gunsmith for a package deal to find out where you are at. The package might include: supplying, chambering, and installing a match grade barrel, truing the action to produce equal bearing on each locking lug, pillar and glass bedding, opening the barrel channel for the heavier barrel, and adjusting the trigger to get rid of any creep or over travel, and lapping the rings. If you have a bullet in mind, you can make up a dummy round for your smith and have the chamber cut to match that length. Just remember that you maximum bullet weight is limited to the rate of twist of your new barrel.
 
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My suggestion to you is the Savage 12BVSS in 223. Should be around $760 for the rifle. The Lam stock is really a nice fit for most and saves the costs of upgrading from the Tupperwear in the future. Now if you are handy with woodworking, get a 12FV and reinforce the stock. Save another $200 for your time.

The Accutriggers can be tuned easily to a very nice 1.5lbs pull. This is a great weight to learn from. Eventually, you will want lighter and Rifle Basix 2 groups are an easy retrofit.

Weaver or Farrell bases, Burris sig rings and a scope and you will have a very fun rifle that can also be decent for F class matches.

Bed the action for sure. Load with 75gr Bergers or AMax over Varget, Win brass and CCI primers (BR4 or 450). collet neck size, etc. 1/2 min accuracy is possible giving a great way to get into the F(F) matches in Kamloops.

I compete with the Bushnell Elite 4200 6X24 w/mildots. There is one on the EE for $400. Wonderful optics and mechanicals with plenty of elevation to get you anywhere on the Kamloops range.

Meets your rifle budget and you don't need to do much tweaking to be competitive. Stuff you need not outgrow either.

Swapping barrels in the future is easy and opens up the whole world of chambering options. But you have a platform that will serve you well.

I compete with a match barreled Stevens, Farrell base, Burris Rings, Elite 4200 scope, Rifle Basix 2 trigger, Score Hi BR follower, homemade stock.... Works for me.

Jerry

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