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Hey all!

I'm going to be getting into hunting here in the fall, going for my PAL/CORE soon. My buddy is suggesting we give grouse a shot (pun intended :D). I've been recommended anything from a .22 to a .410 bore and anything else you can think of. I've got some basic hunting experience from when i was younger and i've shot my fare share of firearms but i figured hunting would be nice to get into for the fall. I'll be in the Okanagan BC region. I'm pretty much new to all of this so any advice on firearm/ammunition selection for grouse/deer to hunting technique would be appreciated!
 
Both will kill grouse, but the 410 has a limited range. I hope you can get close to them, and the 22 is fine if they are on the ground but if they perch on a branch the upward angle of the shot can be very dangerous.
I would prefer the 410 over the 22. I don't know how they act in BC but there are some places in Quebec where we can get very close before they spook.
Mmmmmm Grouse....... good eating!
 
you could check with the BCWF on there mentoring program (not sure were thats at right now) as for a firearms maybe look at a 12 guage, 1 that you can change out barrels easily from bird barrels to slug barrels making it multi purpose for you from grouse/geese to deer?
 
well I tried to PM you, but it seems you've elected not to receive any. I prefer the .410 for the newbie grouse hunter, more margin for error.

drop me a PM and if you like we can try to get you out shooting.
 
I suggest going out with a seasoned hunter if you can. You can pick up some relly good tips and techniques.

As for the gun... I'd go with a shotty. Any guage will kill a grouse, but that will depend on you, not so much the gun.

I love the challenge of wingshooting in hard cover....buuut I also like food. So, I'll take them on the wing when applicable, and if it's walking down the trail/rd, chances are I'll dump him where he stands.

My preference is my 12ga O/U with 7&1/2 shot size.
 
Go over to this site and introduce yourself:

http://www.huntingbc.ca/

There may be somebody in your home town who at least will give you advice.

Where are you in the OK?

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Hey guys sorry about that.. seems i checked the wrong box in my profile settings. PM now enabled!

Where are you in the OK?

I am in Penticton.

As for the gun... I'd go with a shotty. Any guage will kill a grouse, but that will depend on you, not so much the gun.

I love the challenge of wingshooting in hard cover....buuut I also like food. So, I'll take them on the wing when applicable, and if it's walking down the trail/rd, chances are I'll dump him where he stands.

I am all about the challenge, an easy kill doesn't seem that rewarding to me. Right now Im aiming more towards the 410. The 12 gauge does turn me on a bit though just because it would be multi purpose, I'll have to do more research as I move along. Obviously price will be an issue as I look around, but Im not willing to sacrifice quality for dollar.

loving the info guys, keep it coming! :)
 
12ga makes the most sense for a first shotgun. The 410 will limit its usefulness for beginners. A 12ga can be used for practically anything (grouse, waterfowl, small game, deer, clays), and ammo is easily obtainable and cheap.
 
I'd recommend a 12 gauge as well. Quality target loads in 7.5 shot use hardened shot and quality components that pattern well and cost less than the cheapest .410 ga loads out there. If you're shooting them on the fly, the 12 gauge will still challenge your skill while lessening the chances of a crippling shot.

With the exception of more secluded areas where grouse are very tame and easily shot with a .22 or .410, they tend to be fast flushing birds that are challenging enough with a fullbore shotgun. If you come across a reasonably priced 20 gauge, they're another good gun, and sometimes you'll be able to find the target loads at a cost similar to 12 gauge. A good 20 would be lighter to carry and fast handling as well, though it would be less versatile if you decide to want to hunt waterfowl or other game in the future.

A good compromise if you can find one are the Savage 24 rifle/shotgun combos. The older models came in .410 and 20 gauge with .22LR, .22Mag, .222 or 30.30 barrels. The more recent models (with synthetic stocks) come in 12 or 20 gauge with .22LR, .22hornet, .223 or 30.30, plus come with a choke tube in the 12 gauge model. I have a 12ga/22Hornet model that sometimes makes it out to the woods.

Whatever shotgun you buy, I'd recommend looking either for an open choked gun (i.e. improved cylinder, perhaps modified on the second barrel of a double) or one with choke tubes or choke device. Though some areas afford shots at longer range (perhaps some mountainous areas of B.C.?) usually the more open choke is better. If you're stuck with a full choked gun, as many older shotguns tend to be, you could buy spreader loads (about $10 a box here) or eventually get the choke opened up by a gunsmith.

If money is an issue, sometimes you'll find an old pump gun in the EE with an adjustable choke device for about $150 shipped (I know, I just got one myself, and saw two others for a similar price when looking). Some cheap bolt action shotguns have adjustable choke devices, and decent used side by sides (usually just in full & modified choke though) can be had for about $250-$300 shipped from places like Tradeex. For new guns, there's several 12 and 20 gauge pump gun options from Mossberg that will probably ship to your door for under $300, a bit more for a two barrel combo for shot and slugs. The Remington 870 Express pump action will cost a bit more than the Mossberg.

The shorter barrelled Grizzly pump actions from Canada Ammo or Norinco HP9s are popular with many people on this site ($250-$350), especially as a hiking or all purpose shotgun, but the 12.5 and 14" barrels would not be as effective for hitting birds at longer ranges (not because of lack of power, but because a longer barrel makes it easier to follow through and hit a target at longer ranges). Not a problem if the birds are flushing at your feet, but less effective if you're shooting at 25-35 yards.

For .22s there's all sorts of options, but at the very least there's lots of old single shot and repeaters (i.e. Cooey) that can be had from anywhere from $60-100. It's not a bad idea even if you get a shotgun for grouse, since even if you don't hunt with it the markmanship skills gained by practicing with a .22 will be helpful should you decide to hunt big game with slugs or centrefire rifles in the future.

The locals where you live will give you a better idea of the typical conditions in which you'll be shooting grouse and the best shotgun for the job. Hopefully, this will give you an idea of all of the options and things to consider.

With Regards,

Frank
 
Thanks for all of the great info Frank! I like the idea of a 12 gauge. Popularity obviously proving it is a good gun for a starter, but like i mentioned earlier i also like the idea of being versatile. I completely understand the idea of a longer barrel allowing for a ranged shot. But from what i understand about chokes, they change the spread of the shot for a certain range (correct me if im wrong). Another question.. I can change from slugs to shot using the same barrel can I not? Also Frank, you mentioned something about target loads, what does this mean? Is it speaking directly about shot type?..like i said i'm new to this so any info will help!
 
target loads

most often referd to as walmart purchased winchester 100rnd value pack's...
or pretty much any lead shot shell designed for shooting clay targets IE trap/skeet..
available in many diffrent sizes of shot such as 2-4-7.5-7-8 being most common...

I like the idea of a 12 gauge. Popularity obviously proving it is a good gun for a starter, but like i mentioned earlier i also like the idea of being versatile.

you can also get slug's for the .410 BUT not cheap to shoot and not as robust as 12ga...

I can change from slugs to shot using the same barrel can I not?

with a 12ga yes as long as your not running anything tighter then a mod choke... i'm sure someone will correct me but .410 slugs are made to pass thru a full choke due to most .410's being factory full choke? but i'm not an expert on the topic so someone else should confirm this.
 
You CAN shoot slugs (NOT sabot slugs though) from a smoothbore barrel, which is what most people have for usual purposes. Accuracy isn't great but provided you keep your shots within 100 yards (preferably much less), you should be able to hit a deer's vitals.

Wouldn't worry too much about range when we talk about grouse hunting :D A modified/IC choke will be fine.

Target loads are what people use for clays, usually 7.5 or 8. It is generally acceptable as a small game round, many a grouse have fallen to target (or trap) loads. Since it's lead pellets, it is ILLEGAL to shoot waterfowl with them.

Hope that answers your questions. And don't forget to register on Huntingbc.ca! :)
 
Can anyone recommend a decent all around 12 gauge pump that sits somewhere around $500? I've been shown the Remi 870 and so far i like what i see. Obviously not going to buy one before i shoulder it, but i like the idea of interchangable barrels. Something with choke flexibilty would be nice too. Once again, open to ANY suggestions! :)
 
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