Father Hood
Regular
- Location
- Lower Mainland, BC
Couldn't agree more!
First shots with my XCR-M... Smooth operator...
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Couldn't agree more!
mildcustom2
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Surrey, B.C.
Just on my way bak from shooting. Put 60 rounds down the pipe and I have to say I'm not overly impressed right now. I had 10 either failure to eject or failure to feed.
I will post more information later when I get home and can do so safely instead of in my IPhone.
I will post more information later when I get home and can do so safely instead of in my IPhone.
Long Range Canuck
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Athabasca Alberta aka God's Country
By any chance are you using one of the metal C mags that came with the rifle. I have heard there are issues with some of those mags (poor quality) and once you go to a Pmag all those issues go away?
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- inside a huge cloud of MOSQUITOS
I had feeding issues with the stock mags. Turns out it was ammo related. Was shooting cheap Federal blue box 150gr junk. Used the same ammo in 180gr and had no issues. All I could think of was too much exposed lead on the tip of the bullet hanging it up on the feed ramp.
Have gone to Pmags now but haven't tried the problem ammo since. It loves 168gr SMK's though.
Have gone to Pmags now but haven't tried the problem ammo since. It loves 168gr SMK's though.
Father Hood
Regular
- Location
- Lower Mainland, BC
X2 on the stock mag. When I first brought my M home and was playing around with the stock mag and pmag I noticed immediately that the stock mag would have issues. I noticed that when I loaded 3 rounds, the middle round jiggled around like it was loose. When I went to the range I never even bothered using it.
mildcustom2
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Surrey, B.C.
Alright I'm finally home. Forgot I had to go to a hockey game with the wife.
I was shooting 150 GR American Eagle FMJ-BT ammo. It's all I had so I went with it. Definitely planning on loading some SMK in the future. I have a box of 165 GR Hornady SST sitting in the cabinet since I plan on using his gun for hunting. I will give them a go and see how it performs.
I did suspect the 2 ASC mags were garbage and the root of some of my problems. I also used a C Products 5/20 sr25 mag that I bought of factionrr. This mag seemed to work flawlessly. I have 3 Pmags on there way and have higher expectations with these. I will most likely do some tweaking of the factory mags I have and see if they can work better.
Gas setting was set a + setting as per breaking in requirements noted in the manual from the manufacture. I personally think that any rifle needing a " breaking in " of 100-200 rounds is a pile of crap. I can go pick up an AR-15 out of my cabinet and say confidently that they were 100% reliable and flawless out of the box. Shooting the cheapest crap ammo reliably and fairly accurately. When I spend 2650$ plus tax on a rifle I expect it to perform correctly out of the box. Also noted that during initial cleaning prior to shooting this rifle had obviously been test fired as there was significant traces of brass on the bolt.
Also I should mention that it sounds like the gas piston is just sliding around in the gas tube. When I turn the gun pointed down I can here it slide one way then it slides the other when I turn it pointed up. Not sure if this is normal or anyone else has noticed this with there rifles. Input here would be great. I never disassembled the gas piston and tube assembly to clean and inspect but I will be now.
As for accuracy? I think that with a little work developing some loads and dialling in my scope that the rifle is possibly capable of 1" groupings. It shot the garbage I fed it relatively good at on average 1.5"-2" groupings. I was shooting 5 shot groups each time.
Conclusion. Hopefully with some better ammo, pmags it will function 100%. Last thing I need is an expensive boat anchor sitting in my gun safe.
I was shooting 150 GR American Eagle FMJ-BT ammo. It's all I had so I went with it. Definitely planning on loading some SMK in the future. I have a box of 165 GR Hornady SST sitting in the cabinet since I plan on using his gun for hunting. I will give them a go and see how it performs.
I did suspect the 2 ASC mags were garbage and the root of some of my problems. I also used a C Products 5/20 sr25 mag that I bought of factionrr. This mag seemed to work flawlessly. I have 3 Pmags on there way and have higher expectations with these. I will most likely do some tweaking of the factory mags I have and see if they can work better.
Gas setting was set a + setting as per breaking in requirements noted in the manual from the manufacture. I personally think that any rifle needing a " breaking in " of 100-200 rounds is a pile of crap. I can go pick up an AR-15 out of my cabinet and say confidently that they were 100% reliable and flawless out of the box. Shooting the cheapest crap ammo reliably and fairly accurately. When I spend 2650$ plus tax on a rifle I expect it to perform correctly out of the box. Also noted that during initial cleaning prior to shooting this rifle had obviously been test fired as there was significant traces of brass on the bolt.
Also I should mention that it sounds like the gas piston is just sliding around in the gas tube. When I turn the gun pointed down I can here it slide one way then it slides the other when I turn it pointed up. Not sure if this is normal or anyone else has noticed this with there rifles. Input here would be great. I never disassembled the gas piston and tube assembly to clean and inspect but I will be now.
As for accuracy? I think that with a little work developing some loads and dialling in my scope that the rifle is possibly capable of 1" groupings. It shot the garbage I fed it relatively good at on average 1.5"-2" groupings. I was shooting 5 shot groups each time.
Conclusion. Hopefully with some better ammo, pmags it will function 100%. Last thing I need is an expensive boat anchor sitting in my gun safe.
Long Range Canuck
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Athabasca Alberta aka God's Country
If I have my info right ASC bought out C products and continued the line of products and QC problems. I'm hoping your problems are magazine related, but anything is possible, one thing that seems to be reported consitantly with the rifles is the inconsistency in Quality control, rifles like mine performing top shelf and others with some serious issues. One thing we should probably do is give them a good inspection at the gun store before taking one home.
I'm extremely happy with what I received, but starting to get the feeling you may be rolling the dice when buying one. The more reviews we get on here the better the picture we will get on these rifles. Will also be interesting to see how they hold up over time and round counts.
I'm extremely happy with what I received, but starting to get the feeling you may be rolling the dice when buying one. The more reviews we get on here the better the picture we will get on these rifles. Will also be interesting to see how they hold up over time and round counts.
Another happy customer
glad to hear you got some time in with the new M. On the 3 XCR-M's I have owned none of the factory mags functioned very well out of the box. Always having aftermarket mags available to me I never really bothered to try to figure out why. And actually I feel I should appologize to Father Hood for forgetting to mention that. The C-products mags have always functioned flawless and you will be very happy with your new Pmags, lighter, easier to clean and completely reliable.
mildcustom2
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Surrey, B.C.
Has anyone else noticed a sound coming from the gas piston when pointing the rifle down then raising it up? Is this normal?
I'm not sure what that might be. The gas tube is typically loose and will rattle, but I do not recall hearing a sliding sound when tipping the rifle. I may have just ignored it, but I can check mine tonight.
I would take it all apart and have a look at everything. Take out the piston etc and tip it, see if it makes any sounds. Remove the barrel and take out the gas tube and have a look there etc.
mildcustom2
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Surrey, B.C.
I'd appreciate it if you would let me know. I will be taking mine apart and checking it out soon. I have noticed the gas tube is loose and slides around a bit.
Curious what gas settings everyone used for breaking in and what settings are being used after break in.
I also have this muzzle brake that I will be trying out on my rifle.
Use the maximum gas setting for the first few hundred rounds. Keep it well lubricated during this period. Keep an eye on how far the brass is flying etc. Try lower gas settings and see if you get jams etc.; if you do, go back up. You definitely will be able to get to the lowest gas setting by the end. Too bad about crappy mags, but if you have PMAGs coming you will be happy. It is normal to have a loose gas tube...they're all like that.
Father Hood
Regular
- Location
- Lower Mainland, BC
Hey factionrr, no worries man, you didn't make em, you didn't break em..so it is what it is. The PMAG is the way to go anyway. But if you really felt sorry for me, I'm sure a UBR, AFG, or Hi Lux CMR?? would cover it quite nicely. LOL.
My UBR? Um no lol I may have a spare AFG tho, switching one of my L's up with a complete Larue/Magpul UDE kit. Like I said you can borrow one my optics to see what you like before purchasing no problem there. I have a Burris XTR 1-4, Viper PST 1-4, Hilux CMR 1-4 and a Elite Tactical 10x all in pepr mounts that return to zero no matter how many times I swapped them around.
Stormchaser
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I believe I would like factionrr as a friend, would you consider moving to Edmonton? I think it's only -20 today 8)
Lol I love Edmonton but that's a big NO... Sunny here today and in the plus temp range, just packed up and heading to my favorite little backwoods spot. Sorry for the thread derailment lol switching to pm's. On a note related to the last question , on all oft xcr's there is a significant jiggle sound from the gas system when tipping the gun, never had a single issue with it, hope that's all yours is.
mildcustom2
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Surrey, B.C.
I noticed the gas tube jiggling around but I think mine is actually the gas piston sliding around back and forth. Hopefully not an issue. This is my first gas piston rifle.
