First Timer, .22 Kit or Pistol?

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Yes, I know, another "newbie getting into handguns what do I buy?" thread, sorry! Slight variation though, as I have already read a bunch of these and learned a lot (so thanks to those that already posted in those threads!):

I know I'll want a .22 handgun at some point, and it makes a lot of sense to start with one. My question is, what are the pros and cons of getting a .22 pistol versus getting a center-fire pistol plus a .22 conversion kit?

To narrow it down some, I have held the S&W, Rugers, and Buckmarks at my local store, and the Buckmark felt best I my hands. I have not fired any of them. I have also held all the commonly mentioned center-fires and the Sig226 CZ-75B felt the best for me, both of which have conversion kits. Feedback on these would be most helpful, but I am open to suggestions. Thanks!

P.S. Budget of $1500 or less.
 
Separate Pistol:
Pros - you get an extra gun (helpful when taking friends to the range), usually cheaper than the conversion kits, you get a gun expressly designed for rimfire ammo

Cons - different trigger and feel than your centerfire handgun(s)


Conversion:
Pros - same feel and trigger as the centerfire setup, cheap practice with your competition set up if you are shooting IDPA or IPSC

Cons - higher cost (usually), have to switch pieces to change between calibres, still only have one gun to shoot at a time


The switching slides would be a killer for me, as I like to shoot a few mags of rimfire, then a few mags of centerfire and so on through the day. Having to field strip every time to do that is not acceptable for my uses. It's also very handy to have multiple guns when taking friends to the range.

I doubt I solved any of your dilemma with this, huh?:D

Mark
 
I initially went with a CZ Shadow and Kadet kit. As much as I love the kit, I think a separate pistol for all the reasons mentioned above is the way to go. Eventually you may want a kit as well.
 
+42 for separate pistol. sure you'll have different trigger feels and grip angles and weights, but then that means you'll be good with ANY type of pistol rather than just your centerfire type of pistol. i'm a big proponent of developing skills in the person regardless of the tool used, rather than extreme proficiency with just that one very particular tool (whether it's a gun, a guitar, a racecar, or whatnot)
 
With that budget, you could easily do the CZ 75 with Kadet adapter kit. But does that mean you should? There's nothing wrong with having two distinct
pistols either, you could always pickup an adapter kit later as the funds come available. If I speak only from personal experience, then I can only speak of
the CZ 75B and the Kadet adapter kit and I will say that CZ has done an excellent job in the design of both. The Kadet adapter kit seems to function well
with just about any .22 LR ammo ( that I've tried anyhow ), which seems to be a common complaint with a lot of .22 semi's. But the Kadet Adapter kit
is expensive, quite easily the cost of a top end Buckmark, or Ruger. Will the price come down in the future? Your guess is as good as mine, but I'm fairly
certain they will still be making them. So it boils down to this: whatever you decide to purchase, you are allowed to change your mind at a later date and
buy something different, so feel free to experiment. That is until the WHINING CONTROL FREAKS take over and we're all doing the 1984 thing.
Now how's that for saying a lot and not actually saying anything - I'm a natural born politician.:D
 
I just went through this process and decided on the separate .22 and 9mm...

Seems that some of the .22 slides didn't function as well as advertised from what I saw on Youtube... (Failure to lock open after the last round was the most common problem)

Maybe High velocity rounds would fix some of these problems... not sure... but for the same price as most conversion kits you can get a decent .22 and I figured that I was going to end up with a bunch of different handguns anyway so would end up using different guns with different characteristics and should get used to more than one pistol...
 
I was just in your position a little while ago and I went with a seperate pistol. Ruger mk3 22/45 off of E&E.

As much as I wanted to get a centerfire right away, I don't think its worth the money right now to invest in a single pistol + conversion kit. I'm looking at that more when/if I get deeply involved in IDPA/IPSC and I need to practice with my pistol of choice. The biggest bonus is that when I get my center fire pistol (CZ-75 sp01 shadow:D) I will have two guns I can use when I go to the range.
 
Thanks for the replies, guys. Seems the consensus is separate pistol. This is actually the advice I got at the gun store, but I guess I just needed 8 more opinions :D
 
Yes, I know, another "newbie getting into handguns what do I buy?" thread, sorry! Slight variation though, as I have already read a bunch of these and learned a lot (so thanks to those that already posted in those threads!):

I know I'll want a .22 handgun at some point, and it makes a lot of sense to start with one. My question is, what are the pros and cons of getting a .22 pistol versus getting a center-fire pistol plus a .22 conversion kit?

To narrow it down some, I have held the S&W, Rugers, and Buckmarks at my local store, and the Buckmark felt best I my hands. I have not fired any of them. I have also held all the commonly mentioned center-fires and the Sig226 CZ-75B felt the best for me, both of which have conversion kits. Feedback on these would be most helpful, but I am open to suggestions. Thanks!

P.S. Budget of $1500 or less.

It all comes down to what will you use it for.

If you aspire to accumulate many different guns, dividing your range time between this pistol and that pistol, and perhaps eventually developing a passing familiarity with all of their different sorts of particular characteristics, you might want to buy different guns. The danger in that - with the likely reality of limited range time - is that you might become a Jack-of-all-Trades and Master-of-None.

If you want a rimfire trainer to help supplement your centerfire firearm, and if you want to maximize your training benefit per hour of range time, you probably want it to be as exact a copy as possible.

You probably know which of these two people that you are.

If you have to ask, the conversion kit and/or the exact copy is what I'd recommend.
 
I'm a little shocked to see so much support of separate guns over the conversion kits. Typically these threads get loaded with folks that suggest the Sig 226 and conversion or the CZ with Kadet kit.

I went for the separate guns for all the same reasons mentioned already. Cost and ease of switching from one to the next without field stripping each time. A lot of emphasis is put on the gun having the same grip angle and trigger feel. But consider this. If you're shooting bullseye only one shot at a time then yeah, having the exact same gun and trigger for the two calibers makes 100% sense. But IPSC, IDPA and other handgun competitions are not just about accuracy. Speed is involved as well and that brings up the need to practice working with the recoil so that your timing of multiple shots will put the holes where you want them to be. In that context it makes little sense to actually practice with your match gun using .22's which won't produce the same recoil. Instead you need to work with the exact gun and ammo in practice that you'll use in competition. So again the appeal of the conversion kit fades to my thinking.
 
I should mention, that the reason I opted for the Kadet adapter kit is primarily due to it's reputation for reliability, accuracy and ability to digest virtually any
type of ammo. Which is a pretty compelling case. Is there one absolute best choice as to what you should buy? No.
 
I'm working through this now and I'm going for two guns. Reasons

1. I'll be taking like 3 children over the next few years don't wanna scare them with the recoil.

2. I started on a .22 Lr rifle and I found that all the practice paid off when I shot my center fire. So I'm a believer on the training with a .22 Lr

3. I like to shoot .22 Lr some times because it's calming the centre fire makes me smile but the .22 is just fun.

4. 2 pistols means if one breaks I got a spare.

5. I can spread them out cost wise waiting to save up would to buy them would take me 15 to 18 months I can get the rimfire in about 3 to 5 months and while I shoot the .22 I can be saving for the big one. The other way I need to spend the whole amount in one go.

6. Granted it's still two waiting periods for the gun I can have the .22 with an ATT while saving for the centre fire. So I'm shooting cheaper and sooner.

I may get a kit after for the center fire but I'd buy the .22 LR as a stand alone.
 
Definitely buy 2. If you're worried about the different feel of the guns, try holding a 1911 and a ruger 22/45.
 
I went through exactly what you went through last year, so perhaps I can give you some useful advice. I may be a thourough (long winded in other words. :p) But hopefully it will help you out.

I was just getting into handguns early last year, and I was asking the same question... dedicated rimfire pistol or conversion?

I ended up picking up both a Ruger MKIII and a Browning Buckmark.

Ruger MKIII

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Buckmark

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Both are fun handguns to shoot, and great to learn on. They both cost a fairly similar amount, magazines cost about the same, are capable of being very accurate once you learn to use it, and both function fairly reliably with only 4-6 misfires or misfeeds per hundred rounds of cheap ammunition, and 1-3 with high velocity ammo like yellow jacket or otherwise.

The one problem with both is that they are a real pain in the butt to clean, with the Ruger being the worse of the two. With the MKIII, it is a very tight, difficult pistol to clean, and even though I have done it lots of times, I still find myself taking around 30 minutes to do it, whereas I can usually do my other firearms in 5-10 minutes.

The buckmark is far easier to clean, but compared to most any centerfire pistol, it is still a pain in the butt, as you need an allan key handy just to get the slide out.

Magazines for both are a little bit of a pain as well. They have a little thumb tab on the side to push the follower down to load the rounds, which sounds great, but after loading that magazine 5 or 10 times, your thumb will start getting really sore. That tab is stiff and unergonomic.



So those were the two I started with. Both had pros and cons, but they did the job and taught me the basics of shooting.

Now that I had learned the basics of handguns, I picked up a centerfire pistol with the conversion kit. I purchased a Kimber 1911 chambered in .45, with a Kimber Rimfire conversion, both of which are nice.

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Depending on what type of handguns you like, there are 1911 Conversions, Glock conversions, and I am sure there are others out there as well. I happen to be an all out 1911 guy, since I like an all metal handgun, but there is plenty of choice out there.

The fit and finish on the conversion is super, functions just as reliably with both high and standard velocity as my buckmark and MKIII, magazines are the same cost, and accuracy is just as good, with groups in around 2" at 10 meters. You get to train with the same trigger you use on your bigger calibers, which trust me, is hugely benificial. It takes 45 seconds to swap the slide and swap the magazines, and you are good to go.

Cleaning is far easier then most dedicated pistols. Just watch and video on how to field strip a 1911, and it is exactly the same procedure. No tools needed.

Magazines are far superior in terms of usability. They function just like a standard single stack magazine, so no thumb button, but it loads very easily from the top. It is actually easier to load the rimfire magazines to the 1911 conversion then it is to load the .45 magazines for the same gun.



Having done both paths, my recommendation would be to go for the conversion kit. It will come in right around your budget, and it is the same to shoot as your larger caliber, easier to load, and way easier to clean.


That being said, you still can not go too wrong with a dedicated .22lr pistol, and you should have one in the collection, but I think you would be well off with a conversion kit and a centerfire to get you training with both .22 and a centerfire on your budget.


Let us know what you choose, and happy shooting.


Cheers.
 
Magazines for both are a little bit of a pain as well. They have a little thumb tab on the side to push the follower down to load the rounds, which sounds great, but after loading that magazine 5 or 10 times, your thumb will start getting really sore. That tab is stiff and unergonomic.

I bought a Buck Mark Camper and didn't like the sharp edge on the thumb tab either so I filed it down..........mistake...turns out the tab is what pushes the slide stop button up when the clip is empty and this keeps the slide back after the last round. Not a big problem, I turned the tab with pliers so it is sharp on top again,now I use my thumbnail to push it down.........:D
 
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