Republic of Alberta
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If I see a 200 inch white tail running I am shooting and so would 99% of you guys, so don't don't try to B.S. us.
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So, if my hounds run a nice whitetail out to me I should wait for it to stop? We wouldn't get too many deer if we never shot.
You'll need "good tracking skills" to find your wounded deer, if you don't practice good shooting skills.
Well in most of this part of the country it's the other way around, the norm is a running or trotting shot while a standing deer is a gift from above
I hunted 10 years before I ever seem a deer stand still
I thought they slept on the dead run
9 of 10 deer I shoot is with a running first shot.
I don't judge others so called "tree fort" hunt skill or methods, I would expect other to do the same, not something you see on this forum often thou
Come on now Walksalot... lets not drag this thread in the opposite direction... most of the respondents know exactly what I am talking about. I am not seriously suggesting that anyone practice running shots on game. Although in reality that is how most hunters learn to shoot that way. Duck hunting, rabbit hunting, grouse hunting or having a deer bolt and run after the initial shot.
Your assumptions that most hunters load up and spray and pray is not true in my neck of the woods. I doubt that they do in yours either.
This thread is about practicing in a meaningful manner for the likelyhood of a running shot after the initial shot.
I had to post that. I figured I knew what you were talking about but a younger member looking at this thread might get the wrong idea.
My recepie is not much different from other - practice a lot, focus on off hands shooting, quick shouldering and fast target aquisition. Get 100% comfortable with all rifles you might take hunting.
I use balloons as targets: almost no mess, and ir really easy to clean up after. They make cheap and visible targets. My wife likes shooting them too.
I find 10-12 in sizes are the best. If it's windy and ballons are tied on long branches it gets even more challenging as they wave on the wind.
I'm trying hard to abvoid running shots by all mean. Only one I had and could not resist last season was unseccessful
but noone was hurt.
I use balloons as targets: almost no mess, and ir really easy to clean up after. They make cheap and visible targets. My wife likes shooting them too.
I find 10-12 in sizes are the best. If it's windy and ballons are tied on long branches it gets even more challenging as they wave on the wind.
I'm trying hard to abvoid running shots by all mean. Only one I had and could not resist last season was unseccessful
but noone was hurt. 
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I have shot caribou, moose, bear and deer on the east coast and Alberta not in Ontario though.
very seldom have I needed to take a first shot at a running deer.
If 9 out of ten deer you take are on the run, I would say you are a dman good shot with a rifle.
I would be more inclined to cal BS, but I don't know, so I won't.
I did not say anything about practicing shooting, I said that I put "tracking skills" above shooting running animals, higher on the list.
Do you think that a running shot is easy? If most of your shots are running shots, and you do get game, you must be very good at it.
The ability to consistently make shots on fast movig targets with a high power rifle is not an easy one to attain. I would also suspect the for anyone who does not have the time to practice constantly with movng targets, at different ranges, in different hunting scenarios, it is pretty well unattainable.
I would go as far as to say that for most,a running shot with a rifle is as much a Hale Mary as it is skill. As the "Hale Mary" Factor decreases and the skill increases, i would think you have shot thousands of moving targets in different scenarios.
I am not talking a walking shot.
f you are in Saskatchewan within 4 hours of Regina, or within 4 hours of Grande Prarie and want to make the claim that you can atke a deer 9 out of 10 times on a running shot, I will do ya one better. I will bring the tire with a hubcap tied through the middle and $100. Hit it 8 times moving at 75 yrds and I'll give ya $100.
If you can say it on the internet, you should be able to back it up in the field.
very seldom have I needed to take a first shot at a running deer.
If 9 out of ten deer you take are on the run, I would say you are a dman good shot with a rifle.
I would be more inclined to cal BS, but I don't know, so I won't.
I did not say anything about practicing shooting, I said that I put "tracking skills" above shooting running animals, higher on the list.
Do you think that a running shot is easy? If most of your shots are running shots, and you do get game, you must be very good at it.
The ability to consistently make shots on fast movig targets with a high power rifle is not an easy one to attain. I would also suspect the for anyone who does not have the time to practice constantly with movng targets, at different ranges, in different hunting scenarios, it is pretty well unattainable.
I would go as far as to say that for most,a running shot with a rifle is as much a Hale Mary as it is skill. As the "Hale Mary" Factor decreases and the skill increases, i would think you have shot thousands of moving targets in different scenarios.
I am not talking a walking shot.
f you are in Saskatchewan within 4 hours of Regina, or within 4 hours of Grande Prarie and want to make the claim that you can atke a deer 9 out of 10 times on a running shot, I will do ya one better. I will bring the tire with a hubcap tied through the middle and $100. Hit it 8 times moving at 75 yrds and I'll give ya $100.
If you can say it on the internet, you should be able to back it up in the field.
one of my first deer i shot, i pumped 3 shots out in probably 2 seconds. Everyone that heard it though i had an auto-shotty. I kept bangin til the meat was hangin lol
Now i've got more experience and can shoot better and now rarely have to make more then one shot. Resently i've been lucky, they all be under 40 yard shots(Last 2 deer).
Now i've got more experience and can shoot better and now rarely have to make more then one shot. Resently i've been lucky, they all be under 40 yard shots(Last 2 deer).
This is exactly the thing that causes these discussions to go on and on.
Hunters from the East think because their game is usually on the run when they see them that all hunting conditions across the country are the same.
Westerners think you rarely have to shoot at running game because the area is quite often wide open and chances are your first shot may be at a standing animal.
So why are we trying to tell each other how to hunt?
Maybe I should expand my "shoot my way across Western Canada" to "shoot my way across Canada". Anyone want to join me to see how the "other guys" hunt?
We could end up in BC and save their "dying economy"....
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I'm up for that, not sure if the bank account is though. Something for some of the western guys to think about, in many parts of Ontario the bush is so thick that 50yds would be a long shot. In these areas spot and stalk and still hunting are pretty much useless techniques. Dogs or drives (one group of hunters walking somewhat noisily through the bush to drive the game ahead of them towards guys waiting on "stands") are normal in these areas. Senior and a few of the others who have posted hunt in such areas and are pretty much garaunteed any deer they see will be on the move. Also keep in mind that the typical shot in such areas is well under 50yds. I'm thinking a lot of you are envisioning deer running flat out at 100yds out or more, and thats just not the case.
Wow... I am gonna try and do this without breaking the forum rules...
You have hunted in Alberta and on the east Coast... not in Ontario... is that ever obvious by your narrow minded opinion of hunting styles!
My first reaction to your statement is that you are a Troll. But upon reflection I will give you the benefit of doubt and assume that you are just ignorant of other hunting styles.
Most of Manitoba, Ontario and Quebec are thick Boreal Forest... that means a whole lot of trees that makes it hard to see very far.
In these areas the use of dogs and drivers is the most common way to hunt... picking a spot and sitting around waiting for game here is a very unproductive way to hunt. The shots are usually well within 50 yards and often within 20! The deer are moving and the shooting is fast... and most of the practitioners of this type of hunting are very adept at running shots. Your assumption and claim that these types of shots are Bulls**t are absolute nonsense and only point dramatically to your ignorance.
This type of hunting has been going on successfully since before you were born and will continue long after you take up lawn bowling.
Just to notch things up a level for you... How about running shots on deer with Shotguns and Muzzleloaders at distances of 100-150 yards... accurately. I suppose a fella like yourself would call that bulls**t as well.
You would be mistaken again... it happens all the time in Southern Ontario, and other areas with Shotgun/Muzzleloader only seasons.
Fully half of the hunters in my camp make these shots regularly, myself included. You can call bulls**t all you want there are more than a few guys on this forum that have seen it done and done it themselves.
Your unlikely challenge of 100 bucks to anyone making the rolling tire shot would see you broke and embarassed very quickly by MOST experienced deer hunters in Northern and Central Ontario. I know a couple of 15 year olds that would break your bank very quickly!
I think you should probably limit yourself to posting opinions on subjects that you are well versed, if in fact there are any. Just to save yourself further embarassment.
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- The Conservative part of Ontario
This is exactly the thing that causes these discussions to go on and on.
Hunters from the East think because their game is usually on the run when they see them that all hunting conditions across the country are the same.
Westerners think you rarely have to shoot at running game because the area is quite often wide open and chances are your first shot may be at a standing animal.
So why are we trying to tell each other how to hunt?
Maybe I should expand my "shoot my way across Western Canada" to "shoot my way across Canada". Anyone want to join me to see how the "other guys" hunt?
We could end up in BC and save their "dying economy"....
You're right Joe. This running shot discussion is also rampant on American forums. Same reason, conditions are different. They hunt primarily from tree stands, very few have experienced a chase, or a close fast shot. Or hunted where there is usually, no other option.
Wish I had the $ to join you on that cross Canada hunt. Sounds like a hell of a good idea. Take lots of pics!
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- The Conservative part of Ontario
By the way, if a deer hasn't 'made' you, a quick sharp noise, or a yell, will often stop a deer in it's tracks. Be ready, because he won't stop long. It's hard, under the pressure of the hunt, to remember to yell, but it has worked for me a goodly number of times.
Remember to make the noise loud, the deer may not hear you if he's running through brush, and sharp (short), so he doesn't have time to get the direction of the sound.
Remember to make the noise loud, the deer may not hear you if he's running through brush, and sharp (short), so he doesn't have time to get the direction of the sound.
Working Man Your right!
In most cases up here in central Ontario deer are plentiful, and unless you step on them you cant move them, I have on more times that i can remember been the chase, down on the ground looking at deer legs, and hearing snorts, not 25 yards away! There are miles and miles of deer run ways that the deer use, and when a hound is on this trail with a deer 200-300 yards behind its very predictable to no where the deers comming out, I have shot 4 deer in the exact same spot on the exact same run way, running the same way! There is simply no other way for him to go if hes not preassured! or he does not think your there!
And many of my kills have been 50 yards and in, and honest to goodnees if you waited 3 seconds the deer is gone! hes on a full out panic run.
It is different hunting, you hear the hounds, feel the cold air, and the moment overcomes you, the chase is on you hear the brush snapping and you know the bucks on the way down the hill headed right at you! its exciting. Stalking can be done but do to the 15 yard vis is damd near impossible and the dense brush is scratch and crunches, the leaves are loud you can hear farther than can see thats truthfull! You can wait on him but do to the volume of trails you might wait all week and see nothing?? I have done that with success, and failure, shot most of my largest racks like this!
Had the honour to hunt B.C as well and it very exciting as well , and i respect those guys taking long well thought out shots at 300 yards plus at times, stalking deer in alpine, it beautiful, and every bit as exciting. But when you take the shot you have time to set up, and wait fro the perfect place to slip that bullet in.
Its all good!
In most cases up here in central Ontario deer are plentiful, and unless you step on them you cant move them, I have on more times that i can remember been the chase, down on the ground looking at deer legs, and hearing snorts, not 25 yards away! There are miles and miles of deer run ways that the deer use, and when a hound is on this trail with a deer 200-300 yards behind its very predictable to no where the deers comming out, I have shot 4 deer in the exact same spot on the exact same run way, running the same way! There is simply no other way for him to go if hes not preassured! or he does not think your there!
And many of my kills have been 50 yards and in, and honest to goodnees if you waited 3 seconds the deer is gone! hes on a full out panic run.
It is different hunting, you hear the hounds, feel the cold air, and the moment overcomes you, the chase is on you hear the brush snapping and you know the bucks on the way down the hill headed right at you! its exciting. Stalking can be done but do to the 15 yard vis is damd near impossible and the dense brush is scratch and crunches, the leaves are loud you can hear farther than can see thats truthfull! You can wait on him but do to the volume of trails you might wait all week and see nothing?? I have done that with success, and failure, shot most of my largest racks like this!
Had the honour to hunt B.C as well and it very exciting as well , and i respect those guys taking long well thought out shots at 300 yards plus at times, stalking deer in alpine, it beautiful, and every bit as exciting. But when you take the shot you have time to set up, and wait fro the perfect place to slip that bullet in.
Its all good!
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Bighead, don't piss youself sunshine!
I have hunted in the thickest of thick, and my least experience is in the open field or plains.
I did not say that these shots are bull####. I saied that if someone says they take 9 out of 10 deer on a running shot I'd be incline to call BS, BUT I DON"T KNOW SO I WON'T" Why not get the #### out of your eyes and read! In fact this is probably why you don't see the deer standing in front of you, rather until it starts running away!
I said I'd bet someone $100. Why does that get your magnum thong in a knot!
If someone can take my $100, then do it. I'm sure there are some who can, but more who claim they can, but cannot.
I may not have hunted big game in Ontario, but I have been all over North of Sioux, and know the bush the guys speak of.
I have no doubt that some can, and even less doubt that most can't.
Don't worry about not breaking rules when addressing me or my threads or posts, I'm a big boy, and can take it. But if for a minute you think, that because you ahve a gallery to applaud your big mouth comments, that I will simply take your word for somethig that I doubt, you are wrong.
So here is the question BigRedd. Can you shoot deer on the run?
Do you think you could shoot 9 out of 10 on the run?
This is about the only part of this post that I would like a serious response to.
have adder
I have hunted in the thickest of thick, and my least experience is in the open field or plains.
I did not say that these shots are bull####. I saied that if someone says they take 9 out of 10 deer on a running shot I'd be incline to call BS, BUT I DON"T KNOW SO I WON'T" Why not get the #### out of your eyes and read! In fact this is probably why you don't see the deer standing in front of you, rather until it starts running away!
I said I'd bet someone $100. Why does that get your magnum thong in a knot!
If someone can take my $100, then do it. I'm sure there are some who can, but more who claim they can, but cannot.
I may not have hunted big game in Ontario, but I have been all over North of Sioux, and know the bush the guys speak of.
I have no doubt that some can, and even less doubt that most can't.
Don't worry about not breaking rules when addressing me or my threads or posts, I'm a big boy, and can take it. But if for a minute you think, that because you ahve a gallery to applaud your big mouth comments, that I will simply take your word for somethig that I doubt, you are wrong.
So here is the question BigRedd. Can you shoot deer on the run?
Do you think you could shoot 9 out of 10 on the run?
This is about the only part of this post that I would like a serious response to.
have adder
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This thread is about practicing in a meaningful manner for the likelyhood of a running shot after the initial shot.
Well what was the initial shot???
BigRedd are you getting confused, or just don't like people who rather than talk the talk, walk the walk.
This statement is very contradictory to what you corrected me on.
Until you can clarify what you mean by the running shot after the initial shot, i will regard your other response to me as pure bull####.
I assume that you mean that practicing running shots is for after a missed or poor placed shot (you know,the initial shot you took), not a first shot itself,
Wow, that's pretty much what i said. glad you agree.
Here is an example of our monthly "Hunters Shoots" this is the next one and they are all along this line and we always incorporate our back and fourth 12v clothes line. All 6 targets go by in about 5 seconds and travel about 50' in that time then it switches directions and goes back. The first few times a new guy (old hunter etc.) shoots this match he has an eye opener. You get pretty good at the moving target by shooting it all the time though.
You guys should come and try it!!
Mike
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Next shoot is on July 14 and requires you to shoot as follows: 5 shots at 50
yards at the running target, 5 shots at 50 yards from the kneeling position,
5 shots at 100 yards from the prone position and 5 shots at 200 yards from
the sitting position while leaning.( all targets are the standard 100 yard
regulation targets).
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You guys should come and try it!!
Mike
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Next shoot is on July 14 and requires you to shoot as follows: 5 shots at 50
yards at the running target, 5 shots at 50 yards from the kneeling position,
5 shots at 100 yards from the prone position and 5 shots at 200 yards from
the sitting position while leaning.( all targets are the standard 100 yard
regulation targets).
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- The Conservative part of Ontario
Sealhunter.
I might be able to make your 75 yard tire shot. Might not too.
I see you still don't grasp the fact, that most of my deer have been shot running, and within 100 FEET. Can I see 75 yards where I hunt? Sometimes. Can I see a deer at that distance? Almost never. The terrain is so up and down, that even without trees, a deer could pass within a hundred yards without being seen in many places. With trees, he could, and does pass much closer. I've shot deer at ten feet several times. Incidentally, many of my deer have been one shot kills. However, given the terrain I hunt in, I believe in shooting until the game is on the ground.
I might be able to make your 75 yard tire shot. Might not too.
I see you still don't grasp the fact, that most of my deer have been shot running, and within 100 FEET. Can I see 75 yards where I hunt? Sometimes. Can I see a deer at that distance? Almost never. The terrain is so up and down, that even without trees, a deer could pass within a hundred yards without being seen in many places. With trees, he could, and does pass much closer. I've shot deer at ten feet several times. Incidentally, many of my deer have been one shot kills. However, given the terrain I hunt in, I believe in shooting until the game is on the ground.
Republic of Alberta
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If you want to talk running shots think about southren most AB and SASk. It's so flat and the cover so sparse that most deer that you kick up are running flat out and have at least a 100 yard start on you, it's thier only defence. That is where I first started hunting and unfortunatly we would push deer and take running shots. When I moved up north I could not belive a white tail would just stand there and LET you shoot it. If it weren't for all the dam trees in the way hunting would be easy.
I did not say that these shots are bulls**t. I saied that if someone says they take 9 out of 10 deer on a running shot I'd be incline to call BS, BUT I DON"T KNOW SO I WON'T" Why not get the s**t out of your eyes and read! In fact this is probably why you don't see the deer standing in front of you, rather until it starts running away!
I said I'd bet someone $100. Why does that get your magnum thong in a knot!
If someone can take my $100, then do it. I'm sure there are some who can, but more who claim they can, but cannot.
I may not have hunted big game in Ontario, but I have been all over North of Sioux, and know the bush the guys speak of.
So here is the question BigRedd. Can you shoot deer on the run?
Do you think you could shoot 9 out of 10 on the run?
This is about the only part of this post that I would like a serious response to.
You came too close to calling bull#### for my liking!
Your stipilation of 75 YARDS is your only saviour for your bank account.
75 feet is more like the average shot on a running deer, & at that range I'd suggest there's a pile of guys on here that can & do shoot most of their deer running. As JC said at 75 yds your not likely to do any more than hear a deer go by
Why doesn't some-one do a Poll & see just how many hunters do shoot the majority of their deer running.
pacII: sounds like you have a good system, thanks for the invite, but where are you?? Captonion has a good one too, which I have been invited to, just got to make time
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WOW some village is missing an idiot thismorning yea know dude I would take your $100 from you and I would buy you a gift with it....... ..... ... I just havent figured out how to wrap a CLUE yet!
