Fish and Game Association opposes Jason Kenney's proposal to sell Crown land

What's that Joni Mitchell song, You don't know what you have until it's gone ? Kenney is an idiot unfortunately, I prefer the Alberta Party myself.

Grizz
 
I oppose the sale of the land, but after dealing with the AFGA, I don't agree with some of the things that they do either. Our club was the second largest F&G club in Alberta, when we disaffiliated ourselves with AFGA, because of their business practices.
 
Well I know first hand what the sale of crown land does to communities. Here in La Crete,BlueHills area, our community has absolutely boomed! And that’s what Kenney is looking for. Lots of the land has been cleared and have been farmed for years now. Some have been logged (direct income, sawmill employees, and again spinoff) and some have been left as is for recreational use. A LOT of jobs have been created and there has been a lot of spinoff created as well. As much as I dislike land being cleared, I know that’s how our whole community and many small towns in Alberta have been formed. I don’t condem the sale of crown land, but I can only hope the small guy gets a chance at buying as well. In our area many many ‘small guys’ have prospered and our local communities have seen a tremendous growth!

But I think the guy is silly to announce the possibility of land sale now. I would think he has the support of most of rural Alberta already, but now, depending on how serious he would be, he probably won’t get much approval at all from the native population.
 
I hate it when politicians say land is unproductive because it's not making money. Habitat is important too - from a conservation perspective it is far more valuable now than it will be if it gets turned into farmland...

Not only that, but selling land now to balance the books is a good way to loose all your land and end up right back in the same spot a handful of years down the line. It's a permanent solution to a temporary problem...
 
saw this briefly on the news.

i have questions
what is the reason for making that area a national park?
and what will that do to recreational access for hunting, pleasure vehicle use like motorcycling, atv/utv riding and snowmobiling?
what is BC wildlife's position on this?
 
45ACPKING said:
saw this briefly on the news.

i have questions
what is the reason for making that area a national park?
and what will that do to recreational access for hunting, pleasure vehicle use like motorcycling, atv/utv riding and snowmobiling?
what is BC wildlife's position on this?
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BC? this is an article about AB!
 
45ACPKING said:
LOL sorry i was confused.....
there is also a large part of the bc okanagan being eyeballed for national park status..... I now realize that's for a different thread LOL
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If you find out more info plz start a thread, I see signs driving to osoyoos every summer, some pro park others anti park, but I never hear anything concrete about it...
 
hunter7mmRM said:
Well I know first hand what the sale of crown land does to communities. Here in La Crete,BlueHills area, our community has absolutely boomed! And that’s what Kenney is looking for. Lots of the land has been cleared and have been farmed for years now. Some have been logged (direct income, sawmill employees, and again spinoff) and some have been left as is for recreational use. A LOT of jobs have been created and there has been a lot of spinoff created as well. As much as I dislike land being cleared, I know that’s how our whole community and many small towns in Alberta have been formed. I don’t condem the sale of crown land, but I can only hope the small guy gets a chance at buying as well. In our area many many ‘small guys’ have prospered and our local communities have seen a tremendous growth!

But I think the guy is silly to announce the possibility of land sale now. I would think he has the support of most of rural Alberta already, but now, depending on how serious he would be, he probably won’t get much approval at all from the native population.
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Well, in the end, it's marginal farmland, the reason it's been ignored till now. I'm sure the Hutterites will be lining up though. :rolleyes:

Grizz
 
I don't like the idea but I don't think we can blame anyone except the NDP. They are leaving us with a horrid deficit that can't be clawed back by normal means. Kenney has no choice but to think outside the box & it isn't he who ruined our province.
 
2018 prices of the following goods in Alberta:
$485/thousand board feet 2x4 eastern spruce, pine, fir
$250/tonne wheat
$450/tonne canola
$137/hundred weight of cattle
$39.95 White tailed deer licence
$39.95 mule deer
$39.95 elk
$20.65 black bear
$1500 potential revenue lost for each legally harvested black bear gall bladder that could be sold if legalized and permitted
$3500 revenue lost for each trophy black bear hunt not sold @ market prices with an outfitter
$5000-$10,000 revenue lost for each trophy elk hunt not sold @ market prices with an outfitter
$20,000-$40,000 revenue lost for each trophy grizzly bear hunt not sold @ market prices with an outfitter
$$$,$$$,$$$?? Sale of Crown lands

The wildlife is worth next to nothing. Only the outfitters can generate income & make money off the hunts. And the fish and wildlife associations generally don't agree with commercialization of wildlife. So good bye wildlife if it can't pay its way against all the other commodities that could be produced on the land.
 
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skidderman said:
I don't like the idea but I don't think we can blame anyone except the NDP. They are leaving us with a horrid deficit that can't be clawed back by normal means. Kenney has no choice but to think outside the box & it isn't he who ruined our province.
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Yeah it's all the NDP's fault. No way Alberta's economic issues are due to decades of oil dependance with no back up plan... Blaming the NDP is just looking for an easy excuse while ignoring the real problem at hand.

This issue goes much farther back than any single term of any government, regardless of party affiliation. Nobody thought about what might happen if oil prices collapse, even though we watched this exact same issue play out back in 2009. The province didn't diversify, they didn't invest in other sectors, and they didn't create a robust slush fund for when oil prices drop.

Norway has done a much better job of using oil profits to better the economy long term. Since 1996 they've put oil money into a fund that invests in stocks and bonds and is worth over $1.2 trillion. Alberta's oil fund is worth less than $20 Billion.

Norway's fund amounts to US$192,000 (C$235,000) for every person in the country. Alberta's fund works out to C$4,150 per person in the province.
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(source : https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/09...s-1-trillion-meanwhile-in-alberta_a_23215451/)

So yeah. Obviously it's all the NDP's fault...
 
umchorn2 said:
2018 prices of the following goods in Alberta:
$485/thousand board feet 2x4 eastern spruce, pine, fir
$250/tonne wheat
$450/tonne canola
$137/hundred weight of cattle
$39.95 White tailed deer licence
$39.95 mule deer
$39.95 elk
$20.65 black bear
$1500 potential revenue lost for each legally harvested black bear gall bladder that could be sold if legalized and permitted
$3500 revenue lost for each trophy black bear hunt not sold @ market prices with an outfitter
$5000-$10,000 revenue lost for each trophy elk hunt not sold @ market prices with an outfitter
$20,000-$40,000 revenue lost for each trophy grizzly bear hunt not sold @ market prices with an outfitter
$$$,$$$,$$$?? Sale of Crown lands

The wildlife is worth next to nothing. Only the outfitters can generate income & make money off the hunts. And the fish and wildlife associations generally don't agree with commercialization of wildlife. So good bye wildlife if it can't pay its way against all the other commodities that could be produced on the land.
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Clearly you are unaware of the value of ecosystem services. They are difficult to quantify but are worth a great deal of money...
 
Actually I've been trying to think of AB crown land that's arable. The vast majority of it's not. A fair amount of pasture land, but only good for that. I guess some could be broke, but really not a very large percentage of it.

Far as other uses?? I suspect most of it is already being used as it can be.
 
Suka said:
Actually I've been trying to think of AB crown land that's arable. The vast majority of it's not. A fair amount of pasture land, but only good for that. I guess some could be broke, but really not a very large percentage of it.

Far as other uses?? I suspect most of it is already being used as it can be.
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Agreed. If you believe in Climate Change, it's being put to it's best use , as is.

Grizz
 
This issue goes much farther back than any single term of any government, regardless of party affiliation. Nobody thought about what might happen if oil prices collapse, even though we watched this exact same issue play out back in 2009. The province didn't diversify, they didn't invest in other sectors, and they didn't create a robust slush fund for when oil prices drop.

Norway has done a much better job of using oil profits to better the economy long term. Since 1996 they've put oil money into a fund that invests in stocks and bonds and is worth over $1.2 trillion. Alberta's oil fund is worth less than $20 Billion.

Yeah, our Alberta Heritage Trust Fund turned into quite a piggy bank didn't it?
 
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