So I figured I'd post this in a new thread.
I'll warn you all though, I have no way to post pics at the moment so if someone can photo the areas i'm going to mention , on a standard or usgi stock.... thatwould be very cool
anyhow tried an M1A with unitized gas band (no ferrule movement) and found the front ferrule to be very tight.
-a quick detailing with a small file and the bottom of the ferrule was nice and smooth and began to engage.
- next i noticed the top of the ferrule edges making contact with the gas band's handgaurd retaining ears.
-a quick detail with the file and i removed about 5 thou from the tops of the ferule.
- Insert action again and notice it's taking a lot of hinge pressure and i'm about 3/4 inch from the receiver meeting stock.
-I remember someone posted in the other thread about the sling stud making gas cylinder contact and so I backed out the sling stud, removed it and set aside for a trimming with mr dremel cuttoff wheel
- action now hinged very close to closing but found that there is a bit of casting overrun where the receiver face meets the stock on both sides.
- detail with file, removing all excess, maintaing 90 degree edges and ensuring the faces of the stock edges make no contact with the front of the receiver face.
-Once complete and i was happy, i again hinged the action into the stock.
- at this point with the m1a action..... she dropped right in, nice and snug and trigger closed with moderate tension...... All is good with the m1a.
- next i tried the M14s..... hmmmmmmm
- the hmmmmm is because material will need to be removed from the right hand side, under the oprod flange. No big deal really..... BUT IT MUST BE DONE to make your chinese rifle compatable with this stock. These were made for the M1A and real M14 rifles and this small reciver variance is present on all but very early chinese receivers. Federal ordnance or other U.S. origin receivers will probably not require this mod.
here's a pic cut and pasted from the other thread of the area that MUST be modified to fit the chinese receiver
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-If you look at your chinese wood or plastic stock, notice that just ahead of the "horseshoe" at the rear, on the right hand side, you will notice that the flat surface changes to a sloped surface. This is to accomodate the bevelled underside of the stock bearing pad on the receiver. On a chinese rifle, the left side receiver bearing surface is essentially the same as a usgi or m1a from "horseshoe" to receiver face. BUT the on right side of the chinese receiver , this bearing surface runs from the receiver face all the way back to the rearmost portion of the oprod "flange"
- simple enough to tackle with a file, ensuring you keep the same angle as the archangel's front receiver pads. you will not have to remove any from the top edge, you are just creating an angle where there curently isn't one.
observe your chinese plastic stock or wood stock to get an idea of what i'm taking about.
-once i perform this mod, I did NOT have to remove material from nor alter the trigger bearing pads but it was real tight. some of you may or may not have to address this area.
the important thing is that the trigger closes, the rear of the receiver is fully seated with no gap at the rear of the heel, and she passes the trigger /hammer lockup test once assembled.
It is a good thing i noticed the need for the right hand stock ledge modification, those of you who have received thier stocks should make note of this prior to trigger pad alteration.
**also i should add, any time you alter or remove material from the front trigger pads under the "wings", you must take the same amount off the rear pads of the trigger housing. The front and rear pads MUST sit parallel to each other for correct lockup.
- failing to perform this mod for the chinese reciever, will prevent the receiver from sitting truly level in the stock.
once installed and you think you have the perfect fit, lift the rifle and look at the heel from the side with light behind it and verify that the bottom bearing surface of the receiver heel is indeed making solid contact with the stock.
*** forgot to add, there is a small cutout on the forward right inside of the reciever inlet. This is for a USGI length connector pin which protrudes from the receiver.... which chinese rifles do not come with. The chinese pin is shorter and flush with the receiver and is prone to "walking out". This is the pin that holds the oprod spring guide rod into the receiver so is important to address this small cutout in the stock.
my advice is to drill with a 1/16 drill bit down into the stock about 1/8 to 3/16 deep
repeat if possible into the side walls of the cutout, at an angle downwards.
-take a small piece of cardboard, cut to fit flush against the cutout. helps to cover the side that will contact the JB weld with clear packing tape as the JB won't stick and it will leave a nice flat suface inside the stock with no sanding.
-use masking tape and place the carboard dam into the stock, taping it tightly against the side wall, covering the side of the cutout, and mask off the areas around the cutout so as to keep the jb from getting on other surfaces.
-force mixed JB into the cutout, ensuring the first small dab works it's way into the predrilled anchoring holes. then fill the cutout, allowing it to sit higher than it needs to.
- once JB starts to set and is a little rubbery, gently and with a sharp razor, trim the top surface of the JB flush with the top edge of the receiver. this will eliminate the need for sanding once it's cured.
-once cured, peel away the carboard dam and tape and the modification is complete.
-or order a usgi length connector pin from brownells if they have em and skip all that
other than that..... I am quite impressed
none of the above mods would prevent me from recommending this stock , especially at the price point it is selling for. I manufacture custom composite rifle stocks..... and for what it is, I can say that the promag Archangel is some affordable and solid piece of kit....... so far
and for #### loss prevention , after full install ofthis or any stock to your m14 type rifle, verify hammer lock up safety tests several times prior to firing.
I'll be getting out to test this rig in the coming weeks and will be customizing this stock in a way that is going to blow your minds hehehehehe
I'll warn you all though, I have no way to post pics at the moment so if someone can photo the areas i'm going to mention , on a standard or usgi stock.... thatwould be very cool
anyhow tried an M1A with unitized gas band (no ferrule movement) and found the front ferrule to be very tight.
-a quick detailing with a small file and the bottom of the ferrule was nice and smooth and began to engage.
- next i noticed the top of the ferrule edges making contact with the gas band's handgaurd retaining ears.
-a quick detail with the file and i removed about 5 thou from the tops of the ferule.
- Insert action again and notice it's taking a lot of hinge pressure and i'm about 3/4 inch from the receiver meeting stock.
-I remember someone posted in the other thread about the sling stud making gas cylinder contact and so I backed out the sling stud, removed it and set aside for a trimming with mr dremel cuttoff wheel
- action now hinged very close to closing but found that there is a bit of casting overrun where the receiver face meets the stock on both sides.
- detail with file, removing all excess, maintaing 90 degree edges and ensuring the faces of the stock edges make no contact with the front of the receiver face.
-Once complete and i was happy, i again hinged the action into the stock.
- at this point with the m1a action..... she dropped right in, nice and snug and trigger closed with moderate tension...... All is good with the m1a.
- next i tried the M14s..... hmmmmmmm
- the hmmmmm is because material will need to be removed from the right hand side, under the oprod flange. No big deal really..... BUT IT MUST BE DONE to make your chinese rifle compatable with this stock. These were made for the M1A and real M14 rifles and this small reciver variance is present on all but very early chinese receivers. Federal ordnance or other U.S. origin receivers will probably not require this mod.
here's a pic cut and pasted from the other thread of the area that MUST be modified to fit the chinese receiver
-If you look at your chinese wood or plastic stock, notice that just ahead of the "horseshoe" at the rear, on the right hand side, you will notice that the flat surface changes to a sloped surface. This is to accomodate the bevelled underside of the stock bearing pad on the receiver. On a chinese rifle, the left side receiver bearing surface is essentially the same as a usgi or m1a from "horseshoe" to receiver face. BUT the on right side of the chinese receiver , this bearing surface runs from the receiver face all the way back to the rearmost portion of the oprod "flange"
- simple enough to tackle with a file, ensuring you keep the same angle as the archangel's front receiver pads. you will not have to remove any from the top edge, you are just creating an angle where there curently isn't one.
observe your chinese plastic stock or wood stock to get an idea of what i'm taking about.
-once i perform this mod, I did NOT have to remove material from nor alter the trigger bearing pads but it was real tight. some of you may or may not have to address this area.
the important thing is that the trigger closes, the rear of the receiver is fully seated with no gap at the rear of the heel, and she passes the trigger /hammer lockup test once assembled.
It is a good thing i noticed the need for the right hand stock ledge modification, those of you who have received thier stocks should make note of this prior to trigger pad alteration.
**also i should add, any time you alter or remove material from the front trigger pads under the "wings", you must take the same amount off the rear pads of the trigger housing. The front and rear pads MUST sit parallel to each other for correct lockup.
- failing to perform this mod for the chinese reciever, will prevent the receiver from sitting truly level in the stock.
once installed and you think you have the perfect fit, lift the rifle and look at the heel from the side with light behind it and verify that the bottom bearing surface of the receiver heel is indeed making solid contact with the stock.
*** forgot to add, there is a small cutout on the forward right inside of the reciever inlet. This is for a USGI length connector pin which protrudes from the receiver.... which chinese rifles do not come with. The chinese pin is shorter and flush with the receiver and is prone to "walking out". This is the pin that holds the oprod spring guide rod into the receiver so is important to address this small cutout in the stock.
my advice is to drill with a 1/16 drill bit down into the stock about 1/8 to 3/16 deep
repeat if possible into the side walls of the cutout, at an angle downwards.
-take a small piece of cardboard, cut to fit flush against the cutout. helps to cover the side that will contact the JB weld with clear packing tape as the JB won't stick and it will leave a nice flat suface inside the stock with no sanding.
-use masking tape and place the carboard dam into the stock, taping it tightly against the side wall, covering the side of the cutout, and mask off the areas around the cutout so as to keep the jb from getting on other surfaces.
-force mixed JB into the cutout, ensuring the first small dab works it's way into the predrilled anchoring holes. then fill the cutout, allowing it to sit higher than it needs to.
- once JB starts to set and is a little rubbery, gently and with a sharp razor, trim the top surface of the JB flush with the top edge of the receiver. this will eliminate the need for sanding once it's cured.
-once cured, peel away the carboard dam and tape and the modification is complete.
-or order a usgi length connector pin from brownells if they have em and skip all that
other than that..... I am quite impressed
none of the above mods would prevent me from recommending this stock , especially at the price point it is selling for. I manufacture custom composite rifle stocks..... and for what it is, I can say that the promag Archangel is some affordable and solid piece of kit....... so far
and for #### loss prevention
, after full install ofthis or any stock to your m14 type rifle, verify hammer lock up safety tests several times prior to firing. I'll be getting out to test this rig in the coming weeks and will be customizing this stock in a way that is going to blow your minds hehehehehe
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