Fixing Norinco Mags
- Thread starter rodbunlap
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I'm starting to think that the m14 stuff coming from china the last year and a bit is getting to the bottom of the barrel scrapings LOL some real constant... I'm having issues with my norc lately. And not the common fodder like rear sights, flash hiders and out of index pipes. These days it's mags, gas cylinders, bolts LOL
Looks like the 2009 and older standard length norcs are the only ones I'll be buying in the future
Oh... By the way... Dlask arms has genuine CMI usgi equivalent, pinned 5/20 round mags. These babies are sweet and worth every penny
After this is common knowledge the price of early Norcs is going thru the roof LOL
I love my 09 even more now that its semi collectable LOL
Looks like the 2009 and older standard length norcs are the only ones I'll be buying in the future
Oh... By the way... Dlask arms has genuine CMI usgi equivalent, pinned 5/20 round mags. These babies are sweet and worth every penny
After this is common knowledge the price of early Norcs is going thru the roof LOL
I love my 09 even more now that its semi collectable LOL
RememberTheSomme
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Nova Scotia
Have to resurrect this thread to add that I had first problems last evening with my 2009 M14S(1200+/-) on a new production 2013 riveted mag.
The original mags are as solid as anything made anywhere.
Really a very weird thing I've never experienced before. I'm guessing at first thought,.... that the feed lips are losing grip on the last round as the bolt passes rearward allowing it(last round) to jump up out of the feed lips thus allowing the follower to move topside and trip the bolt hold open device before the bolt can make its forward pass to battery and doing so leaves the last round just sitting there loosely and in-line with chamber.
These are the newest Black finished mags and have that tiny rivet in the side of the mag which looks like a bad place to rivet where the tolerances are tight for insertion. The shape of the feed lips appear un-damaged and look more elipitical in shape than the older reliable Norc mags I already have. A diagram of the engineered shape of the M-14 magazine follower and lips would really help here.
Guess I burn a few rounds after trying to duplicate the shape of my good mags followers and lips to cypher this out, or maybe try to take it back to local dealer. But then again this is where the fun of tinkering comes in.
To the OP with 5 of these GD mags, I feel your pain brother, I would be pulling the little hair I have left out. Some of the mag troubles talked about here are merely improper insertion and locking, but these new mags are bogus.
As Thomas already said,... we seem to be getting parts these days from the basement of the Bargain Basement.
The original mags are as solid as anything made anywhere.
Really a very weird thing I've never experienced before. I'm guessing at first thought,.... that the feed lips are losing grip on the last round as the bolt passes rearward allowing it(last round) to jump up out of the feed lips thus allowing the follower to move topside and trip the bolt hold open device before the bolt can make its forward pass to battery and doing so leaves the last round just sitting there loosely and in-line with chamber.
These are the newest Black finished mags and have that tiny rivet in the side of the mag which looks like a bad place to rivet where the tolerances are tight for insertion. The shape of the feed lips appear un-damaged and look more elipitical in shape than the older reliable Norc mags I already have. A diagram of the engineered shape of the M-14 magazine follower and lips would really help here.
Guess I burn a few rounds after trying to duplicate the shape of my good mags followers and lips to cypher this out, or maybe try to take it back to local dealer. But then again this is where the fun of tinkering comes in.
To the OP with 5 of these GD mags, I feel your pain brother, I would be pulling the little hair I have left out. Some of the mag troubles talked about here are merely improper insertion and locking, but these new mags are bogus.
As Thomas already said,... we seem to be getting parts these days from the basement of the Bargain Basement.
- Location
- West Quebec
i got 5 m14 mags that were welded and had the internal bracket instead of the pin i am guessin these are the older ones? I did use a mini zip cut on the tack welds so I could access the mags for cleaing out the packaging grease
Dlask arms has genuine CMI usgi equivalent, pinned 5/20 round mags. These babies are sweet and worth every penny
I have 5 CMI mags, and I had to carefully file the welded tab on the back of the mag that engages the mag catch in the receiver. A fraction off the bottom of the tab did the trick and they all lock in fine now.
RememberTheSomme
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Nova Scotia
I took the new replacement mags back to store, no receipt so no refund. That's okay,..I am a tinkerer in Chinese tin, so I'll fix em myself.
Took my proven reliable older mags and started there with a side by side geometry comparisons and also checked how inert rounds locked in, fed from, sat in,... etc while cycling.Of course ensure no live rounds are present in the room during these cycle tests,... only inert training ones.
The new mags are geometrically subtlety quite different, but with alot of tender squeezing with clamps, and rolling with pliers, they now appear to load and cycle all good, at least during harsh stripping manually. A range trip tomorrow will verify if they are indeed reliable.
Some of the problems observed and corrected were.......
Mag body slightly too wide at front allowing follower to side shift and rise too high. A gentle squeeze with a 2" C-clamp corrected this, keeping follower inside mag and providing correct alignment to target chamber. This was the main problem with mine during firing, the wide front allowed the last round to jump out of lips, allowing follower to rise and stop bolt travel forward as though empty.
Mag lips not rolled properly to hold crisply the 762 round. A gentle massage with needle nose pliers corrected this.
Mag lip right side not sloped properly(allowed round to nose down too much) to enable straight through chambering. Again with needle nose and small ball peen corrected till same slope as Good mags.
Follower left side pointy tab that runs down into mag and shifts the follower to the right, not pronounced enough to provide this feature.
Rivet pinning at side allows 5th round barely into mag. All properly blocked Alan Rock magazines will allow 50 to 75% diameter of a 6th round in so as to provide 100% functioning with 5!
Sounds like alot of changes, and it is,..... they are very subtle ones though and your's and my mags can be massaged to run correctly I'm hoping.
If you can't return them to seller for replace or refund, get a100% proven reliable one, and correct the bad ones to this shape.
Good Luck,....and remember,...here at Norinco
Canada,..... your satisfaction is 10.0% guaranteed, or your money tearfully refunded.
Took my proven reliable older mags and started there with a side by side geometry comparisons and also checked how inert rounds locked in, fed from, sat in,... etc while cycling.Of course ensure no live rounds are present in the room during these cycle tests,... only inert training ones.
The new mags are geometrically subtlety quite different, but with alot of tender squeezing with clamps, and rolling with pliers, they now appear to load and cycle all good, at least during harsh stripping manually. A range trip tomorrow will verify if they are indeed reliable.
Some of the problems observed and corrected were.......
Mag body slightly too wide at front allowing follower to side shift and rise too high. A gentle squeeze with a 2" C-clamp corrected this, keeping follower inside mag and providing correct alignment to target chamber. This was the main problem with mine during firing, the wide front allowed the last round to jump out of lips, allowing follower to rise and stop bolt travel forward as though empty.
Mag lips not rolled properly to hold crisply the 762 round. A gentle massage with needle nose pliers corrected this.
Mag lip right side not sloped properly(allowed round to nose down too much) to enable straight through chambering. Again with needle nose and small ball peen corrected till same slope as Good mags.
Follower left side pointy tab that runs down into mag and shifts the follower to the right, not pronounced enough to provide this feature.
Rivet pinning at side allows 5th round barely into mag. All properly blocked Alan Rock magazines will allow 50 to 75% diameter of a 6th round in so as to provide 100% functioning with 5!
Sounds like alot of changes, and it is,..... they are very subtle ones though and your's and my mags can be massaged to run correctly I'm hoping.
If you can't return them to seller for replace or refund, get a100% proven reliable one, and correct the bad ones to this shape.
Good Luck,....and remember,...here at Norinco
Canada,..... your satisfaction is 10.0% guaranteed, or your money tearfully refunded.
RememberTheSomme
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Nova Scotia
*Range Update*
My new Norinco mag that malfunctioned, is now good to go after the massaging I gave it listed in the previous post. I put 6 stripper clips(30 rounds) through as fast as I could return to target with nary a hiccup. Would have tried more but 40c humidex here was running water into my eyes so bad I could barely see the fig at 200.
My new Norinco mag that malfunctioned, is now good to go after the massaging I gave it listed in the previous post. I put 6 stripper clips(30 rounds) through as fast as I could return to target with nary a hiccup. Would have tried more but 40c humidex here was running water into my eyes so bad I could barely see the fig at 200.
