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I'm looking for a Flash suspressor for a 10.5 bbl ar build i'm doing. I'am considering either the Spex FS from ATR or the XB1 FS from Dalask. Problem is i've never used either of them or held them in my hands to see the diferances. Looking for thoughts or opinions from people that have.

Thanks
CplDogNuts
 
The Dlask XB-1 is a copy of the Noveske KX-3 which is by all rights a very effective flash suppressor(if also increases gas dwell time... good for shorter barrelled AR's).

I haven't used the ATR SPEX but all reports indicate its an exemplary flash suppressor. Without any evidence to support the opinion aside from visual, but the SPEX looks like it may be a bit heavier than the XB-1/KX-3.
 
I'm building a 10.5" as well... I'm tossing on a YHM-28-5C2.

Part of the "shorty" appeal for me is the light weight. I've had a couple 10.5's and never experienced any cycling issues (well, I did once when I built it with a Wolff XP buffer spring... it was too strong!)
 
The PWS is a flash suppressor with the added benefit of virtually no recoil and no muzzle flip.
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The Miculek style with added 2 holes on top is louder but more effective at recoil and muzzle flip suppression with less flash suppression.
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Since I dont shoot and hide at night any more I changed from the PWS to the Miculek design.
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Vortex or AAC Blackout. PM blaxsun on the board. He'll hook you up. Don't waste time with those heavy krinkov suppressors. They will erode and consume themselves.
 
Yes I had a Noveske Krink flash hider on my 10.5, but changed it fast cause it was sooooooo Loud, that and the thing was starting to errode. Thus I put a KAC on it and it has been working like a charm.
R711 OUT
 
The Dlask XB-1 is a copy of the Noveske KX-3 which is by all rights a very effective flash suppressor
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I don't think so. They don't call it a Flaming Pig for nothing.

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I haven't used the ATR SPEX but all reports indicate its an exemplary flash suppressor. Without any evidence to support the opinion aside from visual, but the SPEX looks like it may be a bit heavier than the XB-1/KX-3.
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The SPEX is lighter than an XB-1. And the SPEX is made of chromoly steel, not mild steel like the XB-1.

Don't waste time with those heavy krinkov suppressors. They will erode and consume themselves.
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And you are basing this on what?

Sound suppressors use a much smaller bore diameter than the SPEX and they typically last 20,000 - 40,000 rounds, which is much much longer than the lifetime of several barrels.

We had a customer in yesterday who shot his SPEX equipped rifle next to his buddy's XB-1 equipped rifle and they both agreed the SPEX was much nicer on the ears. The SPEX is also a phenominal flash suppressor.

Now for the bad news ....... we don't have any left. :(
 
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And you are basing this on what?

Sound suppressors use a much smaller bore diameter than the SPEX and they typically last 20,000 - 40,000 rounds, which is much much longer than the lifetime of several barrels.
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I get that you are defending your product but I'm basing it on the number of KX3's I've seen erode. The Dlask knock off also erodes. I'll admit that I've never seen or used a SPEX and if you say they don't erode, then clearly you have a leg up on Noveske.

What does it weigh? Does it suppress any flash? or does it direct the blast forward like the others?

I'll stand by my recommendation of the Vortex or the Blackout over a heavier, non-flash suppressing muzzle attachment.
 
chopper 1 said:
The PWS is a flash suppressor with the added benefit of virtually no recoil and no muzzle flip.
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The Miculek style with added 2 holes on top is louder but more effective at recoil and muzzle flip suppression with less flash suppression.
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Since I dont shoot and hide at night any more I changed from the PWS to the Miculek design.
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PWS is a great muzzle brake but lacks on flash reduction, Best flash hider is the Vortex in my opinion.
 
Vortex is the best for sure... but lacks "compensator"
5C2 is the best of both worlds (at least from available internet video's showing them in action) :)

I'm surprised no one has linked this vid yet:
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Dsiwy said:
PWS is a great muzzle brake but lacks on flash reduction, Best flash hider is the Vortex in my opinion.
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Yes, not the best flash reducer -

But the BEST recoil reducing flash hider !

However - with shorty barrels the brake erodes the baffle sharp angles quickly -

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I get that you are defending your product but I'm basing it on the number of KX3's I've seen erode. The Dlask knock off also erodes. I'll admit that I've never seen or used a SPEX and if you say they don't erode, then clearly you have a leg up on Noveske.
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I wasn't going to even post here cause we don't have any SPEX to sell at the moment. However I felt there was a certain amount of false or misleading information being presented about these kinds of muzzle devices. There was a previous thread where people were claiming these devices "increased" the back pressure which is clearly impossible. That totally incorrect information seemed to put several posters off the product.

I suspect that any brake or muzzle device that has a surface positioned close to the bore will erode to a certain extent. I haven't personally seen how a KX3 or XB1 erodes but I can tell you that we used a much more expensive and much harder steel in the SPEX than was used in the XB1. Thus any erosion in the SPEX is going to be much slower.

In addition, the internal "pipe" in the SPEX is more than .250" long meaning you'd have to run hundreds of thousands of rounds through the thing before enough metal could be worn away to alter the size of the bore.

What does it weigh? Does it suppress any flash? or does it direct the blast forward like the others?
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Of the top of my head I don't remember what the SPEX weighs but it is lighter than the XB1, which is supposedly an exact copy of the KX3. The SPEX directs blast forward AND is a phenominal flash suppressor. The following video was shot in near total darkness during testing of the SPEX. We also tested it on a 7.5" barrel (not on the video) and there was virtually no flash, only some sparks.

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The Smith Enterprise Vortex is a great flash hider. Made a HUGE difference on my 11.5'' setup vs the A2. Almost no flash vs a large fireball. Dlask makes an affordable copy too. The only thing I dislike about the flaming pig is the weight.
 
The short AAC blackout (without QD thread) is probably the most compact and efficient flashsuppressor out there.

I personally like the Smith Enterprise vortex because it super easy to install on an upper with a free floated barrel because the upper does not need to be clamped down for it to be torqued. Just hand tighen it and it is ready to go.

I am not a big fan of these muffle like brakes or suppressos myself, or the brake/suppressor with crazy geometry and buffer slots - they are bulky, but also difficult to clean if they are ever stuck into ground-ful of mud.
 
I like the Vortex but run a YHM 5C on my AR and love it. I was suprised in the testing how well the regular A2 style flash supressor performs compared to some of the big names. Can't comment on any others, have only used the three. Out of the three I am a big YHM 5C fan, love the looks on my 14.5" bbl.
 
The feed back been awsome guys. I realy liked the videos so a guy could see for himself. I'm either going with a vortex or the spex, though I really like the idea of directing the blast forward with the spex.

Thanks again
CplDogNuts
 
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