Flawed Thinking?

doobiej

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A question to the community at large, are you planning on purchasing as many NR/R semi-autos as possible before the oct.21 election to drive up ownership
and potential buy back statistics?

Here is my thinking , flawed?

I would rather take my chances in owning as many semi-autos as possible before a potential country wide ban on ALL semi's comes into effect, which would of course prevent future purchase and ownership of these types of firearms. I own several already, including an AR-15.

I could see a buy back program for ar-15's and variants (there seems to be a hard on for removing these from civil ownership), at a substantial cost to the tax payers, but is the public willing to stomach a buy-back program for ALL semi-autos which would drive costs into the multi-Billions? outside of an ar-15 buy-back, I could see a move to prohibit semi-autos with grandfather clauses, but that would still allow me to retain ownership of all my semi's. While I understand that would mean that I couldnt take them out and shoot them freely, or at all, but I would still have them for any future social disorder/zombie apocalypse/economic collapse/tin foil hat scenarios that may arise in the future vs. NEVER being able to acquire them at all.

the way is see it, if the liberals win the election and implement their civil disarmament agenda, it will take years and hundreds of millions or even billions to implement. not too mention the administrative burden on RCMP to enforce. now, with a proposed 2 year amnesty and a civil disobedience movement (i for one will never willingly hand over my current legally purchased firearms ), could we not retain our firearms and wait out their term? I suspect another liberal federal term will cause a significant economic downfall that will leave even liberal voters asking why their government is spending billions on something that has shown no effect on the crime rates (much like the LGR debacle)? studies have clearly shown that crime, and especially violent crime, increases in economic recessions, which I see coming with another liberal term.

With Bill c-71, retailers have to retain records of purchase, which I suspect the RCMP will want to access from every single retailer in order to determine how many NR were purchased in the event a full semi-auto ban/buy-back comes into effect. that alone could be an administrative nightmare and take a significant amount of time. Again leading to my thinking that a 4 year term wont be enough for the liberals to effectively remove semi-autos from civilian owners.

I have purchased 2 in the past week and have 1 more on the way. funds permitted, I have plans for a few more before oct. 21st in hopes that when the liberals finally tally up the costs for implementing their plan, they may realize its not fiscally or politically possible to implement.

aside from an RCMP officer arriving at my door with a warrant to retrieve my firearms, I will not simply comply and instead take my chances. If that makes me a paper criminal then thats something I am prepared to live with. a knock at my door may change my position, however, I think that will be a slim-to-none chance of ever happening.

I realize everyone has different reasons for owning firearms, whether its hunting, sport shooting, or simply the possessing the ability to protect and defend ourselves and loved ones, with maximum force if necessary, and may not have the same perspective.

am I out to lunch here? thoughts?
 
a couple points to consider:


- the liberals dont give a crap about making the people safer. Guns are removed from law abiding citizens for the following reasons:

1. A disarmed population is easier to control

2. Banning Assault weapons sells well with the voter base, since nobody who does not own guns cares abut you owning assault weapons


The goal is not taking your AR-15 and leaving you with the rest of semi autos, the goal is to take everything other than single shot hunting rifles (ideally in central storage). hey have made this clear enough and have a manifesto that outlines this.


To take AR-15s you will simply be sent a letter that you have to tell your local Canadas Finest when they should come and take it within a certain time frame. Failure to do so will put you in possession of a prohibited device and when they come, might take you as well. Thats the easy part.


What about the NR semis? They can simply all be reclassified to prohibited with the requirement to register by a certain date and confiscation by a certain date. You have the following options:

- comply and register and hand it in


- not comply and hide the guns in your house or outside with the risk of getting caught. Everybody can do this like everybody can choose to obey the law or not. Likely penalties will be life long ban from owning single shot hunting rifles and up to prison


Will all this make Canada safer? It wont make it unsafer. If you take ALL legal guns then you will likely prevent at least one incident. However the question is where we stop with absolute safety and if a society with absolute safety is one we want to life in (North Korea does not have gun crime, I still dont want to life there).


How much will all this cost? To confiscate all guns will not be cheap as they have to be re-registered first which will probably come up to a few billions.

The liberals may or may not compensate you to a point. Most likely they will give you some token money so they can claim they are not confiscating your property but they are buying it. So expect $50 - $300 per gun (no this wont be market value, or maybe it will since market value by then is simply scrap metal price).



The cost however does not matter since the 2-10 billion it will cost, is not enough to hurt the economy and wouldnt we all be happy to pay that small fee to gain absolute safety?

Furthermore they will not say: This will cost 10 billion, they will lie and say it cost $800000 and then add a few billions every year so that nobody notices. They can also funnel a lot of that money through contracts into the pockets of their buddies (like they did with the first registry) and therefore is an absolute win for the liberals
 
One post wonder here trying to bait us all into saying that we won't comply with government regulations and laws so that they can try and prove that we are the criminals they say we are.

Well guess what, I have sold all my firearms so that I no longer have to worry about them being taken away from me. Even the one I bought yesterday is sold already.

Or maybe my tinfoil is on a little too tight this morning....
 
so if ar-15's are targetted first, I read somewhere 75,000+...... and they are marked prohibited and RCMP send out 75,000+ letters to arrange pickup (or drop off)
I suspect this task alone will take years to complete if and only if, the RCMP have the resources to visit say 35,000+ households. I cant imagine the postal system wanting to be responsible
for handling 75,000+ prohibited devices in a short amount of time vs. the decades in which they were acquired? would the criminal element not see this as an easy target? Im assuming the delivery trucks would not travel direct from your home to the RCMP meaning they would have to temporarily store them in small regional facilities?
 
One post wonder here trying to bait us all into saying that we won't comply with government regulations and laws so that they can try and prove that we are the criminals they say we are.

Well guess what, I have sold all my firearms so that I no longer have to worry about them being taken away from me. Even the one I bought yesterday is sold already.

Or maybe my tinfoil is on a little too tight this morning....

too bad I didnt know about your spineless sales of your firearms, I would gladly buy what you so easily gave up due to government fear mongering.
 
so if ar-15's are targetted first, I read somewhere 75,000+...... and they are marked prohibited and RCMP send out 75,000+ letters to arrange pickup (or drop off)
I suspect this task alone will take years to complete if and only if, the RCMP have the resources to visit say 35,000+ households. I cant imagine the postal system wanting to be responsible
for handling 75,000+ prohibited devices in a short amount of time vs. the decades in which they were acquired? would the criminal element not see this as an easy target? Im assuming the delivery trucks would not travel direct from your home to the RCMP meaning they would have to temporarily store them in small regional facilities?

reducing crime was never the liberal's goal so it doesnt matter. I also think that most criminals have easier ways to get guns than steal from the police
 
reducing crime was never the liberal's goal so it doesnt matter. I also think that most criminals have easier ways to get guns than steal from the police

I agree crime reduction is not the agenda, disarmament is. I managed to get several friends and family licensed recently as well and I continue to encourage everyone I can. the more licensed owners , the better, and increases the number of anti-liberal votes.
 
A lot of the money that gets raised to fund pro-firearms rights and sport shooting organizations could go to free pal lcourses. I bet a tonne of people would take the course if it was offered up for free. The more Canadians with pals the better and I would gladly contribute financially to that.
 
for what its worth I got my RPAL in my own home, i didnt even have to travel to a gun club. I got 3 buddies and 2 family members together at my house on the weekend and the instructor came to my house, I think if more of this was available to the masses it would drastically increase the numbers as some people just dont feel comfortable learning about and handling firearms in front of strangers. we even got a discount over taking it at a gunclub. i spend more time educating and trying to license friends/family/co-workers than I do trying to convince them to vote anti-liberal. thats an uphill battle most of the time. but when they have skin in the game its much easier for them to understand the gunowners political landscape.
 
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