Flight 140 TTSX

Boomer said:
The Rhino bullet was shot into the side of a 24" square timber that was once used to support a pipeline. That timber was very old, very dry, and very hard. Had I shot into the butt end of a log , a tie, or a tree the results would have been very similar.
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I bet it wouldn't.....In fact I bet that you shot that bullet into the timber at an oblique angle (not square on) and it started to bend the shank prior to penetrating the wood....

Boomer said:
If I recall I also submitted a picture of TSX's recovered from a berm and those bullets did not expand, despite being told by you guys that was impossible. Expanding bullets perform best when they impact an aqueous medium, that is what they are designed to do. I supported that position by demonstrating that their performance is suspect in dry mediums, regardless of being solid or granular.
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No, what you demonstrated was TSX's that had expanded and shed their petals....My 5yr old daughter saw that pic and managed to deduce for herself that the petals had broken off....
 
Boomer said:
Expanding bullets perform best when they impact an aqueous medium, that is what they are designed to do
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Hunting bullets are designed to expand.....period.
Just because a TSX doesn't vaporize in dry gravel like a Ballistic Tip, Inter-Loc or any other cup/core, don't make it a failure, by any stretch.....
Penetration always trumps expansion, but luckily TSX's deliver on both.
Win/Win....

If you actually tried a 270 or 300 grain Rhino, along side a TSX of same weight and driven at similar velocity, you might have some credibility to your pictures. But until you run apples along side apples, you're testing means/proves nothing.
 
RiverOtter said:
Hunting bullets are designed to expand.....period.
Just because a TSX doesn't vaporize in dry gravel like a Ballistic Tip, Inter-Loc or any other cup/core, don't make it a failure, by any stretch.....
Penetration always trumps expansion, but luckily TSX's deliver on both.
Win/Win....
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I think you are getting confused...

Boomer doesn't appear to be making an argument that TSX performance on game is poor because of their performance in gravel....
 
No, Boomer is making the argument that TSX's don't expand unless they encounter fluid, hence the "poor" performance in gravel...

He's been trying to say that his pictures of TSX's picked up from a gravel (dry) medium show that they did not expand, merely had the nose sheared off, and that in fact they did not open at all, as evidenced by the bending of the shanks....
 
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KodiakHntr said:
No, Boomer is making the argument that TSX's don't expand unless they encounter fluid,
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Yes, but read the actual quote:


Hunting bullets are designed to expand.....period.
Just because a TSX doesn't vaporize in dry gravel like a Ballistic Tip, Inter-Loc or any other cup/core, don't make it a failure, by any stretch.....
Penetration always trumps expansion, but luckily TSX's deliver on both.
Win/Win....
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Boomer isn't saying the TSX bullets are failures, just that they aren't designed to expand perfectly unless some sort of fluid such as blood or the water in flesh is encountered.

That hasn't been my experience, since the tsx I've shot into dry stuff makes them expand, but it seems that you guys may be confusing "designed for optimal expansion with fluid" and "dont' work well on game"
 
No Clarke, I'm fair certain of what he is trying to say...That the only way TSX
expand correctly is if they have fluid...His argument throughout the whole thread is that Barnes bullets need fluid to expand....IF you read the entire thread, you'll see his posts which expound upon the theory that the X or derivitive thereof will cut through hair and hide, until it hits an "aqueous medium", upon which point it will expand thoroughly and completely....
 
"Do TSX Bullets always expand on game?
Because our TSX Bullets are solid copper and have a specially engineered nose cavity, it is nearly impossible for them not to expand. The cavity opens up as soon as hydraulic pressure is applied to the nose cavity. Once the bullet strikes flesh, it immediately opens, creating four razor-sharp petals that slice through tissue. Ballistic tests in gelatin show good bullet expansion within the first inch of penetration."

I took this right from their webpage. Hydraulic pressure to me comes across as fluid forcing the nose open?
 
No arguement here. I don't think anyone in this thread ever said that hydraulic pressure wouldn't open a TSX, or any other expanding bullet for that matter.

Fur, hide and bone doesn't exactly fall into the "hydraulic" catagory, yet TSX's expand on them and punch through them, on their way to the soft stuff. I was trying to show that with the entry wound I posted a page or so back.
 
In my experience not much stops a TSX:)

I have had complete pass thru on everything I have shot with them...

Nice buck by the way!!!

I am thinking that "material" would be a better choice of words for explaining what the cavity is intended to do...

I can't afford to shoot bullets as expensive as Barnes into dirt etc. all my experience is based on game and all I know is they work:D
 
It's not rocket science that a bullet designed to open in soft/wet stuff will by default expand on hard dry/stuff.
The biggest hurdle in bullet construction is striking a balance between the two, hence the evolution of controlled expansion bullets.
 
Bear in mind there though mcrae, that the website is designed by a marketing team, not the engineers...If thats what people want to see, then thats what they get...The same as has been stated on different boards, the TTSX may very well be the answer to a problem that doesn't exist...Or wouldn't exist, if it wasn't for instant information transfer via the internet...I have yet to see a TSX fail to open, same as several dozens of people shooting hundreds of animals a year....If this was as rampant a problem as the internet would make it seem, there would be tens of animals a day being reported as being lost due to failed bullets...

I have yet to see anywhere that the "razor-sharp petals" have "sliced through tissue"....Blown through like any other bullet of sufficient velocity, but not cut through...

And as RO has said, no-ones said they won't open in liquid...I've opened them up in water shooting into barrels just to see what they look like...Just the same as I've opened them up in dry sand...About as far apart as you can get in target media...

And on the same hand, I've shot Partitions and NBT's into water too, and low and behold, they expand too....Even without a hollow expansion cavity in the nose......Draw your own conclusions....The one I drew from that is that water gives resistance to lead bullets just the same as anything else....
 
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I actually used Nosler Accubonds this year on both bears and my whitetail and mulie.

I shot them out of a .308 Winchester, 300 RUM , and a 375 Ruger. They worked as well as the TSX and I had complete pass thru on all of them as well. What I did notice with the Accubonds as opposed to the TSX was a larger exit wound. I did have pretty narrow wound channels with the TSX's on all the critters I shot but the end result was meat on the table so I don't didn't really give it much thought...
 
Not suprised on the exit wounds being different...Not sure that I would call this a narrow wound channel though....

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Entrance hole...If you look carefully you can see the rib on the opposite side of the ribcage through the hole...
 
RiverOtter said:
Think we was typin' in stereo.

I'm still patiently awaiting my first recovered TSX from a critter as well....
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I have one, dug it outa the mud behind were I shot a bear this spring, and a pard has one from an '06 from last year, shot it into a muley length wise and found it under the hide in a hindquarter.

And I have 2 regular X's from deer, from my 264...Both shot lengthwise, shooting for bone...Picture perfect mushrooms...
 
Mine sure didn't look like that with my 130 TSX. My elk was a big 6x6 bull at under 100 yards. Bullet went in thru ribs, smashed up lungs and heart, and exited opposite side. There was little or no bloodshot meat. Bull sank to his knees and fell over. They work for me.

That has been my experience with most of the game I have taken with the TSX as well. The Accubonds on the other hand look very similar to the picture you have posted. My mulie got hit with a 260 Accubond from a 375 Ruger and it had considerable damage...

I plan on hunting with a TSX of some sort this spring in my 375 Ruger...
 
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