flint lock hunting

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ok folks, just so you know i live in nova scotia and i am trying to get some info on black powder hunting.
i was thinking on buying my first bp (if i dont spend it the wife WILL) i was looking around on the net when i realized you dont seem to need a PAL to buy a flint lock-it sounded good at first BUT if you dont need a PAL then the nuts running the government dont consider it a firearm and if it is not a firearm then would i be allowed to hunt with it.
and while were at it i have a PAL rated air rifle if i have my wilderness card and a small game permit, would i be allowed to hunt rabbits with it.
 
You'll have to check NS regulations. Ontario game laws consider a flintlock muzzleloader a firearm during rifle season, and a muzzleloader for primitive weapons hunts. In addition, it is legal to hunt small game with any size of muzzleloader. Once again, that is Ontario regs.
 
A flintlock is not considered a weapon. It does not have to be registered, and you do not need to be licensed. However, you will have to follow all local game laws. Here, I could use one in primitive weapons areas, and during the general firearms season. Or of course anytime or anywhere else when not hunting game animals. If you get one, don't flinch! :D
 
http://www.gov.ns.ca/natr/hunt/hunting.htm

Despite a flintlock not having to be registered it is still a firearm according to the m-w.com definition and I can't see NS DNR letting anyone go into the woods without their PAL course while there are other hunters about. At one point the hunter safety course incorporated firearms safety (according to several older guys I work with) but I can tell you that the current NS Hunter Safety course has nothing to do with firearms safety.
 
i think were going the wrong direction here,

i have a PAL,hunters safety course, NS wilderness card,NS small game permit.

the question was, if you DO NOT need a PAL to buy a flint lock will the province of nova scotia consider it a fire arm & let you hunt with it

and the same goes for aig guns that you DO need a PAL to buy
 
the question was, if you DO NOT need a PAL to buy a flint lock will the province of nova scotia consider it a fire arm & let you hunt with it

and the same goes for aig guns that you DO need a PAL to buy

I know in Ont. that you do NOT need a PAL for either hunting with, or purchasing a flintlock. I know a couple of bow-hunters
that for legal reasons were not able to use regular longguns, so they went out and got flintlocks.
Obviously the confusion is a Prov/Fed thing. Anyone can get a flintlock, not considered a firearm under Fed.
legislation (unless its used in the commission of a criminal offence). BUT it is considered a firearm under
the Prov game laws. Just make sure you follow the transportation/storage laws when you are going hunting
and you will be fine. PS Flintlocks are FUN...Good luck :D
 
Despite a flintlock not having to be registered it is still a firearm according to the m-w.com definition and I can't see NS DNR letting anyone go into the woods without their PAL course while there are other hunters about.

The Prov. game law in Ont. regarding "Firearms", includes bows
crossbows, air rifles >500fps, and shotguns, rifles etc.
So there is no need for a PAL for Flintlocks. :)
 
A flintlock is not the easiest BP firearm to start out with. They can be finicky, especially if you don't know what you are doing. This will lead to a frustrating experience. Most flinters will have a slow twist limiting them to patched roundball which seriously limits their range.

It would be better to start out with a caplock. And find someone who has experience with BP as there are a ton of pitfalls inherent in these guns.
 
oh yeah.. i am not going to try and one of these until i find some one who has experience doing it. (and still has 2 eyes & 10 fingers)
for some reason,
pounding a lead object into an air tight cylinder that is packed with an explosive!
makes me think before doing, usually its the other way around
 
Hi
You can hunt with your a flinter in N.S. THOUGH YOU NEED YOUR HUNTER SAFETY CARD.You have to follow all the rules safe storage etc as a regular firearm.Also you will need a PAL to by the Black Powder for anyway.As far as Air rifles they are not allowed as stated in the Hunting rule book guns have to be rimfire, center fire or a muzzleloading no Air rifles
 
Hi, I read your post, and I own a flintlock, and shoot it regularly so I thought I'd chime in.

I don't know about nova scotia, but in ON, you can hunt with your flintlock.

They are completely safe. When I first got my flinter, I took some blackpowder into the bathroom, turned on the fan, and tried to light some with a match.

That match and two others burned out. I had to get the long lighter we use to light the barbeque, and hold it directly on it for a few seconds. I was suprised at that, I turns out commercial black powder is corned, (pressed together under steel rollers into rock hard granules) and harder to get lit than you'd think. When it did go poof, I stunk up the bathroom like rotten eggs, but it went away pretty quick. Then I lit some more,.....several times.

It's really quite safe. Also lead is non sparking and you grease the patch and ball before you ram it down.

I like taking newbies shooting my "weak old flintlock" because they are often quite surprised at what kind of boom my .50 cal can generate.

Lethality is a given. A half inch pure lead ball, travelling 1500+ fps? I only target shoot, as I am in a wheelchair, but I'm told that a "through and through" is a given on deer, and a mostly on moose no matter what bones you hit.

Accuracy? It depends on your skill to begin with. If you can't hit the bottom of a coffee can at 80 yards freehand standing, it's not the guns fault.

Reliability? Spend a little time, and get to know your rifle. Make up powder charges in a bag of film containers, (free from the photo place), and you'll go boom every time sooner or later. I had no one to teach me, but soon found it wasn't as hard as I had read from internet "experts", who know everything, and claim to own everything.

I found the only trick was not pouring the priming powder too full and into the touchole slowing down ignition for a quarter second or so. With it just resting at the level of the touchole, ignition is instant, not like in the old hollywood movies. I also found I don't have to go crazy with the priming powder or I'll just develop a flinch from the priming pan fireball. Also, buy a CO2 EZunloader, to squirt the ball out if you forget to put the powder in first. It's easy and cheap at only 30 bucks and beats blowing out the barrel if you're lazy.

It's really all in the instruction manual that comes with your gun.

I "clean" between shots, but the internet experts forgot to tell me that all that is is a quick wipe with the swap that screws into the other end of my ramrod, and takes all of four seconds.

Because the barrel has this wedge thingy that taps out of the center, then the barrel just lifts out of the stock...it's actually my easiest, fastest gun to clean at night.

I toss a folded facecloth in my bathtub. I put the bottom of the barrel with the touchhole on the cloth so it stays put and doesn't scratch my tub. I drizzle a little shampoo down the barrel, then pour a little warm water in with the detachable showerhead.

One back and forth with the copper brush, and a rince with the detatchable showerhead till the water runs clear out of the touchhole. I let the water run out the touchole, turn it upside down to get the last few drops out, then a dry boreswab to dry, and a lubed boreswab to grease. (boreswabs cost a dollar, buy a couple)

I put the barrel back in the musket, and push in the wedge with my thumb, then tap with a hammer after wiping off the lockface, and I'm done, until my GF reminds me to toss the dirty facecloth in the laundry.

Takes five minutes on slow speed.
 
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I own and use a flintlock as well. It is a modern myth that they are finnicky guns. Okay, I have to qualify that. I have seen some cheap, scrappy flintlocks. Avoid them. But any from a known maker of quality rifles (T/C, Lyman, Austin & Halleck) are quite reliable. I have a TVM Tennessee rifle, 42" barrel, .54 calibre. It'll fire every time, and using 110 grains FFG and a .535" round ball, it will shoot into a 3" circle at 100 yards all day. Velocity should be around 1800 or 1900 fps.
I've only shot a couple of bunnies with it so far. Unfortunately, I centrepunched one of them. Bit messy. I'm thinking about a .32 or .36 cal flintlock just for small game.
 
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