FN 1903/ Husqvarna 1907 stuck slide

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I am in the process of acquiring this pistol, it is in pieces.
It seems that the slide was pulled back and no one is able to get it to release.
A local gunsmith has disassembled it as far as he can.
I'm hoping that the disconnector or hammer is stuck, but don't know until I get it home.
Has anyone here come across anything like this with this pistol?
Any info would be great. KD

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I've never had this problem, but I've owned a couple Colts like this over the years, and I have a 1907 Husqvarna now. How disassembled is it? If you can see the hammer and it's not involved with the slide, then I wonder if the barrel was somehow turned out of the grooves in the frame and is consequently jammed between the slide and the frame.
That seems to me the most likely problem. If you can rotate the barrel back into its grooves, that would fix that problem. If it is the barrel, and you can't easily turn it, you're just going to have to keep trying to get it to turn, without forcing it. Lots of patience. Certainly if you "loosen up its innards", nothing will be hurt, and there might be some good from doing that. Good luck. And let us know what you find.
 
This one really has me stumped.
The pistol is apart except for the recoil spring and guides,
the extractor, the barrel, ejector and cartridge guide,
and it still won't close.
The barrel turns as it should, so it could be a broken piece of barrel lug,
or bent coil from the recoil spring, maybe the extractor pin is hanging up on the ejector.
It is perplexing, I keep staring at the diagram online,
hopefully something will come to me before I use the 2lb slide unsticker. KD
 
When you write that "the pistol is apart, except...", do you mean that the slide/barrel/spring assembly is off the frame? I understood from your earlier question that the slide was locked to the rear and wouldn't close. I'm a bit confused about the state of the gun. My mental picture is that the slide is all the way back, the spring is compressed, and the barrel protrudes out the front of the slide. Is the slide held at the rearmost hold-open recess or to the rear of it? If the hold-open is in the rearmost recess, the barrel should not turn. It should only turn when the hold-open is in the forward recess. Is the magazine out of the gun? You may be right about a piece of broken metal, but please let me know about the position of the slide.
 
MTF said:
Is the slide held at the rearmost hold-open recess or to the rear of it? If the hold-open is in the rearmost recess, the barrel should not turn. It should only turn when the hold-open is in the forward recess. Is the magazine out of the gun? You may be right about a piece of broken metal, but please let me know about the position of the slide.
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The slide is still on the frame and stops just forward of the front hold-open recess.
The things that make the most sense to me is the extractor pin protruding through the slide and striking something on the frame, or broken piece of metal.
No pics right now, I will try to get some up later. KD
 
Yes, the barrel is on and it doesn't move forward.
The barrel spins 1/4 turn when the slide is in the appropriate position,
and does so freely, so I don't think any of the ribs are broken there. KD
 
A picture might be the most help. I'm having trouble visualizing just where the slide is on the frame and whether the barrel is moving is moving with it after it's been turned. My understanding is that you can (1) lock the slide at its rearward position with the automatic hold-open on the right side of the frame or with the safety/hold-open on the left, (2) you can release the slide from the levers on the right and left of the frame and allow the slide to move forward a bit, and that (3) the slide stops with its rear just forward of the hold-open lever on the left side of the frame.

For the slides rear to be forward of the left-frame safety/hold-open lever, the barrel would have to have been turned and moved forward of its cuts in the frame as the slide moved. If this is the case, then the pin retaining the extractor would be well forward of anything it might catch on.

I'm afraid that without some pictures I just can't understand enough of the slide/frame/barrel relationship to help very much. I just doubt there's a broken part holding things up. If you want to email me: dp1959@ns.sympatico.ca.
 
dixda said:
Yes, the barrel is on and it doesn't move forward.
The barrel spins 1/4 turn when the slide is in the appropriate position,
and does so freely, so I don't think any of the ribs are broken there. KD
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Remove the barrel... that's why you cannot move the slide... do you know how to remove the barrel?

The barrel has groves on it that lock it to the groves on the frame. If the barrel is locked, there is no way you can remove the slide as it's not part of the slide.

Or try classic way to take it down: http://www.gotavapen.se/gota/fieldstripp/stripp_p07.htm
 
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Well, I'm really confused and more than a little embarassed now. You'd written first that a gunsmith had taken the gun apart. I never would have thought that a gunsmith would not know how (or at least be able to look up how) to remove the barrel in taking down this pistol. "guess kto", you're the really bright guy here. I felt sure the barrel was the problem, but I never thought no one knew how to take it off.

Just to make sure that the solution to the problem was in fact simple fieldstripping of the gun, below are step-by-step instructions on a quick way to take the slide off the frame without actually taking everything apart, just to make sure that's the solution to your problem.

Pull back the slide so you can push the take-down/safety lever into the forward recess on the left side of the slide of the pistol. Then you can turn the barrel a quarter-turn. Once that's done, depress the safety/take-down lever and keep hold of the slide. The slide/barrel assembly should be pushed (not with great force, but still under spring pressure) off the front of the frame by the pressure of the compressed recoil spring. When the slide comes off the recoil spring will remain in its socket in the frame and you'll know the answer to the problem.

A note of caution. With the slide off the frame, the automatic hold-open on the right side of the gun can fall off the frame if you're not careful. Since its also the trigger pin, you don't want that to happen. Just keep an eye on it. If it does fall, just don't move the trigger. You should be able to slip it back into place without trouble.

Then you can simply slide the slide back onto the frame (making sure you don't bend or kink the recoil spring) just the same way it came off, hold it in place with the safety/take-down lever in the forward recess, rotate the barrel back into position, and depress the lever to allow the slide to return to its "normal" closed position.

You'll need to consult the takedown instructions for further disassembly. I can help with that if you wish.

I'm really sorry that I never considered that the gunsmith didn't know how to fieldstrip the pistol. I believe "guess kto" is right and this will solve your problem. Congratulations to you and "guess kto" for figuring it out. Have fun with it.
 
MTF said:
Well, I'm really confused and more than a little embarassed now. You'd written first that a gunsmith had taken the gun apart.

I'm really sorry that I never considered that the gunsmith didn't know how to fieldstrip the pistol. I believe "guess kto" is right and this will solve your problem. Congratulations to you and "guess kto" for figuring it out. Have fun with it.
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Well the guy is more of a hack, and it went to him under my protest.
I got the thing really cheap, so it offsets the shoddy workmanship.
Nevertheless, there is still something causing the slide to stop, 1cm past the first hold open, when closing.
I thank you all for your time and patience, and will let you know of the final outcome. KD
 
I'm retired so I've got time. I'd like to be able to help you with this, but it's tough without seeing it. I'm sorry to read that it's still stuck. I still can't visualize the relationship of the slide, barrel and frame when the slide is stuck.

The hold-open is the lever on the frame, and it's the only lever on the left side. There are two recesses in the left side of the slide that will allow the hold-open lever to hold the slide at two different points. The rear recess allows the lever to apply the manual safety, and the forward one is for field stripping. It allows the lever to hold the slide so that the barrel can be turned into a large cut space inside the slide, and away from the cuts that hold it in the frame. Then, normally, the barrel and slide can come off the frame together. Ah, but there is another step.

The problem may be that you're not turning the barrel back again after the slide moves forward a bit. This little extra step may be the problem. After moving the slide with the turned barrel just enough for the turned barrel to clear the cuts in the frame, the barrel has to be turned back again to the position it was in before you turned it.

Anyway, let me know how it goes.
 
I'm not sure, but imagine that the pin that holds the firing pin in is short, and the pin that holds the extractor in is long, and they become switched.
Now supposing that the longer pin, which is now pivoting the extractor,
is protruding through the bottom of the slide and stopping against the back of the cartridge guide.
That's as far as the slide will move forward. KD
 
The extractor pin would indeed be much shorter than the firing pin retaining pin on this gun. But a projecting pin still doesn't seem likely to me because:
1. Once the slide was off the gun and the two pins were switched, I'd
wonder how the gun was put together again. If a pin was projecting
down through the bottom of the slide it would strike the front of the
right frame rail and prevent the slide from moving backward into its
normal fully assembled position.

2. If the gun were somehow reassembled, for the gun to function at all,
the pin would have to ride over the frame rail on the right side. Since
you can move the slide/barrel assembly forward at all, that pin has
already cleared the rail and isn't projected below the bottom of the
slide.

3. The bullet guide part of the frame doesn't come into the problem
because it's level is far below that of the frame rail, which the pin has
already cleared. The pin wouldn't hit it in any case.

TEST 1. It's still possible that the barrel is hanging up the slide. It's worth trying to get the barrel out just to rule out that as the problem. If you get the barrel out, then you can try moving the slide off the frame.

TEST 2. With the barrel out, when you move the slide forward to the point where it's stopped, if the rear of the slide is stopped just a millimeter or so forward of the rear of the frame, the tail of the slide may be stopped by the cocked hammer. You should be able to push the slide forward over the cocked hammer. Try pushing the slide forward over the hammer. This shouldn't require much force. It happens quite easily when the gun is fired.

TEST 3. If the slide still doesn't move, put the slide back into its normal position as fully assembled. The barrel doesn't have to be in place. Work the slide back and forth to #### the hammer. Then pull the trigger. If you don't hear and feel the hammer fall, then the hammer hasn't been cocked and that's the problem that needs to be addressed (as was suggested early in this post). If that's the situation, then you might need a real gunsmith because parts in the frame will have to be disassembled.

Let me know what you've done and I'll respond.
 
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