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He owns one.
Fn Fs2000
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He owns one.
I have no problem with the plastic "swing arm" - that is the correct material to use actually. What really rubs me is the stock - the stock is made of two clam shells held together by screws and nuts, exaclty the same way toy makers do with airsoft guns. For the love of god, at least wield them together like the AUG. But know what, now the stock can be put together by the lowest denominator on the planet....Not confidence inspiring at all.
FN chooses to add a rubber gasket in the magwell to stop debris from getting into the rifle - the result is an ultra tight magwell. If you don't slam the magazine in, then it won't sit properly. If it doesn't sit properly, the entire innards get cocked up. If you don't do the IA correctly or it is your unlucky day, the cocked up multiples into unclearable cocked up - and then you will have to uncocked it by pulling the upper from the lower.
I think this forward ejecting thing is more trouble than it is worth.
FN chooses to add a rubber gasket in the magwell to stop debris from getting into the rifle - the result is an ultra tight magwell. If you don't slam the magazine in, then it won't sit properly. If it doesn't sit properly, the entire innards get cocked up. If you don't do the IA correctly or it is your unlucky day, the cocked up multiples into unclearable cocked up - and then you will have to uncocked it by pulling the upper from the lower.
I think this forward ejecting thing is more trouble than it is worth.
I had the opportunity to shoot about 200 rounds through one and it really didnt do it for me. It jammed 3 times due to my incorrect mag placement as already mentioned and being a bigger guy I found it really uncomfortable to shoot. My 2 cents
Personally I like them and I'd spend $3600 on one of those way before I'd spend $1700 on a Norc anything! Before I'd spend $2000 on a Phoenix BXP. Before I'd spend $2400 on a FAMAE anything! Any how much are people asking for the type 97 sniper version???
Plus $3600 is probably the cheapest you will EVER see on in Canada. And that's not much more than the Tavor. You'll always get your money out of it even if you take it out and put 3K rounds through it.
Would I go to war with one? Hell no!
But would I go to war? Hell no!
Would you look cool at the range with one? Hell yeah!
Could you have a non restricted barrel made up for $300? Hell yeah!
Plus $3600 is probably the cheapest you will EVER see on in Canada. And that's not much more than the Tavor. You'll always get your money out of it even if you take it out and put 3K rounds through it.
Would I go to war with one? Hell no!
But would I go to war? Hell no!
Would you look cool at the range with one? Hell yeah!
Could you have a non restricted barrel made up for $300? Hell yeah!
If the rifle you were looking at had an Acog in a Larue mount, the rifle is mine, and on loan for the Lethbridge gun show.
Like anything, I think alot of the complaints against the design are subjective.
While I agree some of the items (mag gasket) leave one scratching their head, IMHO the rifles are overall well thought out (total ambi, even ejection) and of sound mechanical design.
I too think the rifle is quite thick in girth (due to the nature that the stock serves double duty as the receiver) making it a little ungainly, but find it easily manipulatable with one hand on the pistol grip.
I dislike the pistol grip angle and believe they could have designed the back end with an adjustable LOP.
As to the non-restricted vs. restricted arguement, I think it is a shame they fall under the the later, but tend to blame our lame laws over the design of the rifle.
I have had zero stoppages in approximately 400 rounds (I know-quite low still) and accuracy is quite good out to and including 500m.
I ran it through a sudo-DCRA match schedule of 1 through 12 and came out with a score of 484. I think that in itself is quite promising.
I have tried forcing a failure to feed with a partially loaded mag, and couldn't get the round to strip until the mag was fully seated.
I have only been able to induce one stoppage , and that was achieved by forcing a double feed onto the first round that was partially loaded. Clearing this stoppage was a bit of a mess, but one I doubt anyone would see for real.
As to the costs, all I can say is it certainly sucks being Canadians. 99.8% of the gun goodies out there should be lower when compared to our US neighbours. Some items we are fortunate to even get.
Like anything, I think alot of the complaints against the design are subjective.
While I agree some of the items (mag gasket) leave one scratching their head, IMHO the rifles are overall well thought out (total ambi, even ejection) and of sound mechanical design.
I too think the rifle is quite thick in girth (due to the nature that the stock serves double duty as the receiver) making it a little ungainly, but find it easily manipulatable with one hand on the pistol grip.
I dislike the pistol grip angle and believe they could have designed the back end with an adjustable LOP.
As to the non-restricted vs. restricted arguement, I think it is a shame they fall under the the later, but tend to blame our lame laws over the design of the rifle.
I have had zero stoppages in approximately 400 rounds (I know-quite low still) and accuracy is quite good out to and including 500m.
I ran it through a sudo-DCRA match schedule of 1 through 12 and came out with a score of 484. I think that in itself is quite promising.
I have tried forcing a failure to feed with a partially loaded mag, and couldn't get the round to strip until the mag was fully seated.
I have only been able to induce one stoppage , and that was achieved by forcing a double feed onto the first round that was partially loaded. Clearing this stoppage was a bit of a mess, but one I doubt anyone would see for real.
As to the costs, all I can say is it certainly sucks being Canadians. 99.8% of the gun goodies out there should be lower when compared to our US neighbours. Some items we are fortunate to even get.
The major concern over the bullpup design is that they are difficult to shoot off shoulder. When firing from your support side and trying to stay behind cover you can be at a disadvantage. When I was training with the French Foreign Legion with their FAMAS (1988) they taught me to shoot off shoulder in a complicated way by changing the position of your hands. You could not get a good sight picture and it would be difficult to hit outside of close range. They wanted to demostrate that it was possible. It was not practical.
FN has solved this delema with the FS2000. It is the only truely INSTANTLY ambidextrous bullpub in the world. I still cannot believe that the IDF has moved to a bullpub design that does not allow their people to do this. When watching clips of the IDF operating you always see their people being very tactical and maintaining good cover in built up areas, around corners ect. This will be much harder to accomplish with the Tavor.
For those that have not yet looked inside the FS2000... the bolt and bolt carrier remind me of the FN Minimi (FN M249 in U.S. Speak) system. The parts are very high quality and operate very smoothly. The gas system is very clean, like G36 scary clean, after shooting. The barrel is actually free floating. The rifle is a little "fat body" but shoulders and points very natually. For those of you that must have the Tavor good luck with mounting and eyerelief. The FS2000 has a massive, long 1913 rail to place whatever you want to mount to fit everyone from "Headamage" (no offense intended Andrew but you are a massive size guy) to a midget. It's a cool gun and the ejection system is much better thought out and designed than I first gave it credit for.
I will regret selling mine but they are coming into Alberta in small numbers. If someone wants a good gun that is the latest technology and much different than anything else out there this is the one to have.
Rich
FN has solved this delema with the FS2000. It is the only truely INSTANTLY ambidextrous bullpub in the world. I still cannot believe that the IDF has moved to a bullpub design that does not allow their people to do this. When watching clips of the IDF operating you always see their people being very tactical and maintaining good cover in built up areas, around corners ect. This will be much harder to accomplish with the Tavor.
For those that have not yet looked inside the FS2000... the bolt and bolt carrier remind me of the FN Minimi (FN M249 in U.S. Speak) system. The parts are very high quality and operate very smoothly. The gas system is very clean, like G36 scary clean, after shooting. The barrel is actually free floating. The rifle is a little "fat body" but shoulders and points very natually. For those of you that must have the Tavor good luck with mounting and eyerelief. The FS2000 has a massive, long 1913 rail to place whatever you want to mount to fit everyone from "Headamage" (no offense intended Andrew but you are a massive size guy) to a midget. It's a cool gun and the ejection system is much better thought out and designed than I first gave it credit for.
I will regret selling mine but they are coming into Alberta in small numbers. If someone wants a good gun that is the latest technology and much different than anything else out there this is the one to have.
Rich
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- Calgary, Alberta
I wasn't particularly impressed with the one I tried in Vegas. I still think the FA MAS is the best bullpup even with all of its flaws. And the SA80 is the most accurate with the FA MAS in a close second place.
The FS2000 reminds me too much of the AUG, the trigger pull feels the same, it's quite bulky, tough to get into a good prone position with it because it's so tall, etc.
The one I tried had an ACOG on it so no problems there but overall I'd stick with a top-end AR-15.
The reality is that I'm a target shooter and in my earlier shooting days I ran through all these whizz-bang military guns and they're not that great for target shooting. Customised AR-15 or the Swiss Arms rifles are the best for a semi-auto .223, IMO. They're accurate, have good triggers, are reliable (although the AR-15 is a pig to clean), and have good sights (or can be fitted with them) with a long sight radius.
The FS2000 reminds me too much of the AUG, the trigger pull feels the same, it's quite bulky, tough to get into a good prone position with it because it's so tall, etc.
The one I tried had an ACOG on it so no problems there but overall I'd stick with a top-end AR-15.
The reality is that I'm a target shooter and in my earlier shooting days I ran through all these whizz-bang military guns and they're not that great for target shooting. Customised AR-15 or the Swiss Arms rifles are the best for a semi-auto .223, IMO. They're accurate, have good triggers, are reliable (although the AR-15 is a pig to clean), and have good sights (or can be fitted with them) with a long sight radius.
Yes, that was the one. Del said he had two more NIB available.
A friend locally had one for a while. I probably shot off 50 or more rounds.
Like any gun its a personal kind of choice. I can't speak about its technical features but I really enjoyed shooting it. Yes it seemed bulky...till I picked it up and shot it. I found it accurate and a comfortable.
But of course it really doesn't do anything my AR won't do either for a lot more money.
If I had tons of cash I probably would have one for fun. But it could be a good investment. I believe my friend probably sold it for about twice what he paid and thats after having some fun with it and letting all his range buddies have some fun with it.
Now it only lives on in my avatar! lol
Like any gun its a personal kind of choice. I can't speak about its technical features but I really enjoyed shooting it. Yes it seemed bulky...till I picked it up and shot it. I found it accurate and a comfortable.
But of course it really doesn't do anything my AR won't do either for a lot more money.
If I had tons of cash I probably would have one for fun. But it could be a good investment. I believe my friend probably sold it for about twice what he paid and thats after having some fun with it and letting all his range buddies have some fun with it.
Now it only lives on in my avatar! lol
