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FN #### Video: P90/PS90/FS2000/FiveseveN
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RevolverRodger
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Somewhere in QC
Well the p90 is used by several armed forces + police forces so I don't consider it as a fail
I'm a big fan of the PS90, and if the 5.7 ammo was as cheap and plentiful as 5.56 I'd likely get one. On that note the the FS2000 would be more practical. Hopefully Questar comes through for us with a long barreled FS2000 - I may just take the plunge...
- Location
- New Brunswick
Too much plastic? Didn't like the short length of pull? Were they flimsy and brittle?
Please tell us more. I'd like to hear about it as I've never handled any of them.
As a person who owns a PS90 (first in the 16" barrel, and now in 10" barrel), I have to say that the gun itself it awesome. It weighs more than it looks, but the balance is perfect. Everything in it's design has a purpose. Ambidextrous everything. Bullpups allows for good things in small packages, but has two drawbacks. Poor triggers, and an inability to shoot left. With the P90 series, the bottom ejection solves the second problem, and the trigger isn't too bad (better than the Tavor by far). The mag changes are just slightly slower for me with enough practice, but with the extra mag capacity (fifty in the non-neutered version) more than makes up for it. The gun does everything it's supposed to do (given you have the proper ammo - SS190 - prohibited here). I would gladly carry one of these over an MP5 with the right ammo.
Here in the republic, it has a different purpose (killing paper). Doing so is limited by the 5 round capacity, but still does an excellent job.
As for the FS2000, I'm not as impressed with what I see (haven't handled one though). Big and bulky, and doesn't offer much more innovation. Many other assault rifles do the same thing.
Here in the republic, it has a different purpose (killing paper). Doing so is limited by the 5 round capacity, but still does an excellent job.
As for the FS2000, I'm not as impressed with what I see (haven't handled one though). Big and bulky, and doesn't offer much more innovation. Many other assault rifles do the same thing.
LEt me rephrase that statement.
the P90 is OWNED by few police dept and agencies around the world. But for its lack of stopping power and the lack of having a round that is ubiquitus, those agencies have gone back to the MP5 submachine gun and to the Ar15 platform.
Yes you need one type of round for body armour, one round if the guy is wearing heavy clothing and one round if the guy is wearing thin clothing.
This gun was originally designed for cooks and third line soldiers as a PDW not as an assault rifle.
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- Vallée-jonction
i love this gun, maybe is my wife is Ok i buy one PS90
mebiuspower
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Morontario
P90 solved the problem of shooting enemies with body armour... but nobody told FN you can just shoot threat in the head.
Whenever I think of the FS2000 I am amazed by how beautiful and advance the Aug is.
The FS2000 is designed that way because the GL was integrated in the beginning of the design, not as an after throught. Extra space was created for battery package if people actually would buy that hi-tech electronics.
If you look at TAVOR, FAMAS and AUG, the GL module is a patch work done after the rifle was designed.
The concept of FN2000 is good, and it is a very profitable item to manufacture. You must admire the engineering behind it for what the want to do. There is very little skill involved in assemblying. It is almost like a "model kit gun" - all you need are electric screw drivers, punches, a few fixtures..... All the precision needed is in the mold of the plastic clam shell. Not a bad weapon for licensing.
An airsoft gun is probably hard to put together than the FN2000.
If you look at TAVOR, FAMAS and AUG, the GL module is a patch work done after the rifle was designed.
The concept of FN2000 is good, and it is a very profitable item to manufacture. You must admire the engineering behind it for what the want to do. There is very little skill involved in assemblying. It is almost like a "model kit gun" - all you need are electric screw drivers, punches, a few fixtures..... All the precision needed is in the mold of the plastic clam shell. Not a bad weapon for licensing.
An airsoft gun is probably hard to put together than the FN2000.
P90 solved the problem of shooting enemies with body armour... but nobody told FN you can just shoot threat in the head.
No the 5.56mm carbine solved that problem 50yrs earlier.
Not really. The 7.62 x 51 did.
So, you never answered the question of whether or not you have fired or owned the PS90 or FS2000 to back up your "Meh" opinions. Have you, do you, or did you and what formed the basis for your opinions?
I have fired approx 5000 rounds from each,it makes no difference if I own one or not,compared to the AR15/M4 carbine neither offers any advantage other than compactness.
In fact the FN2000 was rejected for lack of reliability in the Croatian Army trials, and has not been adopted in any great numbers in any military due to reliability issues that may or not have been corrected at this time,the fact is it did not add any advantage to existing systems. The integrated G/L and sighting system has promise though.
The P90 fills a niche that for the most part doesn't require filling the PDW concept is flawed and has not caught on outside of certain Special OPs units where the P90 is used in the traditional SMG role, not so much that of the PDW.
The poor performance of the 5.7mm AP round has been well documented so no need to rehash that. A 5.56mm Carbine will give better performance without having to create a separate logistical chain for a new caliber.
The complicated feed system and magazine design is prone to fail as well, in one afternoon of shooting 3 magazines were rendered useless, not exactly confidence inspiring.
The civilian versions I have limited experience with only about 400 rounds through each, but no significant improvements were noted.
So there you go...Meh.. nothing to write home about and definitely not worth the cash,I'll stick to my AR15 FOW thanks,and leave the FN 2000 and P90 to the video game fanboys.
"Worth the cash" is a relative term, and when applied to firearms in the Canadian market pretty much applies to 95% of the guns here - the AR FOW included.
Reaper's sobering comments maybe true and the F2000 is condemned to a life of obscurity, unlikely to be retained as a well fielded front line combat rifle in any army, let alone a few.
For the amount of money that manufacturer's spend on R&D, you can't hardly blame FN for trying.
Echoing Greentip's comments, it is likely that the greatest accomplishment FN has gained from the creation of this firearm is in the manufacturing and engineering feats; knowledge and technology that may help to spring board future designs.
I have one and think it is a decent little rifle. I can certainly appreciate the engineering involved. Does it have it's drawbacks? Sure, but as a range rifle, mostly little stuff to b!tch about. Would I take it into combat? Not my 1st or 5th choice, but not my last either.....
Reaper's sobering comments maybe true and the F2000 is condemned to a life of obscurity, unlikely to be retained as a well fielded front line combat rifle in any army, let alone a few.
For the amount of money that manufacturer's spend on R&D, you can't hardly blame FN for trying.
Echoing Greentip's comments, it is likely that the greatest accomplishment FN has gained from the creation of this firearm is in the manufacturing and engineering feats; knowledge and technology that may help to spring board future designs.
I have one and think it is a decent little rifle. I can certainly appreciate the engineering involved. Does it have it's drawbacks? Sure, but as a range rifle, mostly little stuff to b!tch about. Would I take it into combat? Not my 1st or 5th choice, but not my last either.....
Starscream
CGN frequent flyer
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- Southern Alberta
Actually:
http://www.defencetalk.com/saudi-arabia-continued-assistance-in-the-modernization-of-the-sang-4113/
http://www.armedforces-int.com/article/fn-herstal-awarded-major-contract-f2000-assault-rifles.html
Interestingly enough the Slovenians are ditching M70 AK pattern rifle, probably to meet with NATO requirements. 6500 have been currently ordered and the M70 has been regulated back to rear echelon and reservist troops. The order's expected to expand up to around 14,000 rifle.
If nothing else the F2000 is going to get it's trial by fire now. 60,000 rifles, it's nothing to sniff at and hopefully all the bugs will get ironed out.
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- Thunder Bay ON Canada
I think it's strange when people judge rifles value as a fashion accessory. I guess it takes a certain type of guy.
