Fold down back-up sights

[cr5]

I use Troy for all my BUIS needs right now, but I think I have plans for a set of KAC 200m-600m offsets for a MH.

This makes even less sense to me than standard BUIS for a rifle like that.
If you want options wouldn't it make more sense to use your optic for 200-600m shots and if you want to shoot close then remove the sight and use your irons for 0-200m?
Let me guess, you're going to mount them at 45 degrees then roll the rifle to make a 300m shot with the irons?

 

[Fobwall]

I don't understand the "need" for buis on a civilian rifle.
What could you ever be doing with your rifle that you couldn't just stop and correct the problem with your optic? No one is shooting back at you and if you're competing then the chances of your optic quitting mid round is pretty much zero. The biggest risk for damage is when you throw it into the safe barrel at the end and if you damage it at that point you would have until the next round to either fix your optic or remove it and install something else.
I have buis on a few of my rifles but that's mostly because they came with the rifle when I bought it and they aren't in the way of my optic. The only rifle I have them on that I might use would be my NR ACR because I have a 3-9×40 on it and that scope isn't much use for close range.

We aren't some special forces GiJoe's and all the crap I see on peoples personal rifles these days makes me laugh. Guys spend all this money on what if's and just in case then hardly ever shoot their rifles. That's why I suggested going with the cheapest decent sights available. They'll probably hardly ever get used and the what if day will probably never come. I suggest taking the $100-$300 you were going to spend on BUIS and put it towards a better primary optic, training, or more ammo.

When I did a CQB course last summer my 1-4 scope lost it's seal and fogged up. I simply kept shooting as I could still see the targets and it remained accurate. When I got home I removed the scope and sent it in for service and the new one was in my hands in a couple weeks. I simply used a different rifle while the scope was gone and if I really needed to use that rifle I would have taken some glass off a different rifle. This isn't life or death stuff here, we have time to fix things that break and it doesn't ruin your day. Spending a couple hundred dollars for parts that are for the most part not needed and most likely will never be used makes little sense to me.

Of course everyone is free to spend their money on whatever they want and dress up their rifle however they want, I personally just don't see the point in spending a bunch of money on something that serves no practical purpose.

100% agree and definitely on the same page as you. Just didn't want to say it as I might offend someone.

I'd also much rather spend that money towards a better optic or ammo!

 

[onetwentyish]

This makes even less sense to me than standard BUIS for a rifle like that.
If you want options wouldn't it make more sense to use your optic for 200-600m shots and if you want to shoot close then remove the sight and use your irons for 0-200m?
Let me guess, you're going to mount them at 45 degrees then roll the rifle to make a 300m shot with the irons?

Actually come to think of it, I guess it was the normal offsets. The 200m-600m was if I kept them normal and swapped a Specter TR on.

We will see what happens in the future with optics, for now the Troys look goo d on it but need to be zeroed.

 

[cr5]

100% agree and definitely on the same page as you. Just didn't want to say it as I might offend someone.

I'd also much rather spend that money towards a better optic or ammo!

Lol, most here already know I don't care if I offend someone. It's just an opinion and I've never seen a rule book that says we all have to have the same opinion.
Being offended is a choice, people can tell me their opinion of me or things I do and it doesn't bother me at all, I would have to care what they thought to be offended by what they say.

I feel the same way about lights, lasers and designators on a civilian rifle. In my neck of the woods we aren't allowed to shoot after dusk so all that stuff is just mall ninja crap that makes your rifle heavy and cumbersome. I laugh when I read guys posts and they are complaining about the weight of an 8 pound rifle then they throw a bunch of crap on the forend of their rifle because they need it just in case the zombies come.

 

[Runningfool]

I don't understand the "need" for buis on a civilian rifle.
What could you ever be doing with your rifle that you couldn't just stop and correct the problem with your optic? No one is shooting back at you and if you're competing then the chances of your optic quitting mid round is pretty much zero. The biggest risk for damage is when you throw it into the safe barrel at the end and if you damage it at that point you would have until the next round to either fix your optic or remove it and install something else...

Unless your batteries fail. At a 3gun match last year I turned on my optic, took a sight picture, and all was good so I staged my rifle...well after shooting my shotgun and handgun I picked up my rifle and guess what? Nothing! Flipped up my magpul buis and completed the stage, albeit slower than if I had been smart and put fresh batteries in that morning!

I've since purchased a new AR to compete with and haven't put buis on it and don't plan to. Fresh batteries are cheaper and lighter than buis

 

[Dietz]

Just didn't want to say it as I might offend someone.

Nobody has a right to not get offended. NOBODY.

 

[rdavidson]

Troy buis

 

[wildphil24]

Great answer! I had not thought of that QD mount to get it off quickly. I guess that makes my choice for a BU sight moot. My mount for the scope is not QD. So I guess I won't be putting any BU sights on my rifle.

You can still get offset / canted sights. Magpul makes a cheaper one. Troy makes one reversible if you're left-handed.
Even folded, they make a gun a little more bulky.

 

[grelmar]

Magpul MBUS, with a Vomz 1.5-6x scope mounted with the Vortex QD mount (it's actually manufactured by someone else, and Vortex just slaps their label on it). The optic gets in the way of the rear flip-up unless I remove it.

They work good enough for minute of IPSIC tombstone out to 200 yards.

Even with a 1-4x optic, you might have trouble with co-witness. Most 1-4x (even expensive ones) have a very slight magnification at the 1x setting that will throw things off.

I've though about those 45 degree offset mounts, but I'm really just not that cool, and couldn't be bothered.

 

[X-man]

Troy BUIS are my first choice. I actually enjoy shooting irons, so they get used on a regular basis. Love Magpul magazines, accessories and furniture, but hate their plastic "BUIS." Don't know why, just haven't been able to warm up to them. Probably a subconscious trust issue.