"Food" for CZ75
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They'll shoot any of the standard 9mm loads. But with the fixed sights you'll likely find that 147's tend to shoot slightly high.
Due to the nature of the recoil kick I prefer 124's for my CZ's but I'm not going to pass by a 1K pack of 115's if they are on sale for a good price. There is still a difference in impact point between the 124's and 115's but it's slight to where it's not noticable when shooting in speed related events like I do. For slow deliberate bullseye shooting you'd find that the 115's group about an inch lower at 15 yards than the 124's. An amount which is easy enough to compensate for when aiming for slow and steady.
When I get back to reloading for 9mm it'll be a steady diet of 124's only. I did find that lead rounds shoot a little more accurately to give tighter groups. But since they cost me just as much to buy cast lead bullets as jacketed I doubt I'll bother with cast rounds much. The CZ's are my action match pistols. For bullseye I prefer revolvers or my 1911. But cast loads in 9mm are going to be nearly impossible to find in factory ammo. Until you get into reloading you'll likely be stuck with jacketed.
Due to the nature of the recoil kick I prefer 124's for my CZ's but I'm not going to pass by a 1K pack of 115's if they are on sale for a good price. There is still a difference in impact point between the 124's and 115's but it's slight to where it's not noticable when shooting in speed related events like I do. For slow deliberate bullseye shooting you'd find that the 115's group about an inch lower at 15 yards than the 124's. An amount which is easy enough to compensate for when aiming for slow and steady.
When I get back to reloading for 9mm it'll be a steady diet of 124's only. I did find that lead rounds shoot a little more accurately to give tighter groups. But since they cost me just as much to buy cast lead bullets as jacketed I doubt I'll bother with cast rounds much. The CZ's are my action match pistols. For bullseye I prefer revolvers or my 1911. But cast loads in 9mm are going to be nearly impossible to find in factory ammo. Until you get into reloading you'll likely be stuck with jacketed.
I can't argue with this, but just pointing out that when he does get into reloading, plated bullets like Berry's, CamPro, etc are a good compromise between the two. Certainly cheaper than jacketed, and no leading issues.
I loaded a lot of Berry's thanks to the price point and how nicely they do. But the batch of lead ammo I did was still better for group size when shot slow and deliberate for accuracy. FWIW the lead bullets I used were 124gn from Bullet Barn who are out here on the west coast so I can get them without shipping charges involved.
Never any sign of leading either. But then I wasn't pushing them overly fast. Just up to around the sort of charge to get up around a 130PF velocity. So just a hair over 1000 fps.
Olbar, it looks like you're paying just a hair under $280. That seems like an OK but far from great price. Keep an eye open for sales and deals.
And to plant the seed towards reloading I'm looking at around 15 cents per round to reload even buying Berry plated bullets. That figures to $150 to load up 1000 rounds. That's for bullets, primers and powder. 9mm brass is generally free for picking up at many ranges where it's not feasible to sweep the area. So start now to save your brass or even stay a little late at the range and make the area more clean by helping yourself to unwanted brass now. As for the equipment cost to get started you can get into a modest progressive press and other equipment for around $300 total. I'll leave it to you to figure out how soon the press and other bits would be paid for and you begin saving $130 or more per thousand rounds.
I use 135g LRN Wolf remanufactured ammo from www.theammosource.com and I find it just as accurate and reliable as the brand name stuff.The price is $209.00 plus tax and shipping.If you are on their mailing list you can sometimes get a discount,as they offer percent off discounts on their product's at different times throughout the year...
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Mine prefers 124gr jacketed also.
I tried 115, 124, 135 lrn, 147 and it shot everything 100%. I really liked the flat point 147 for some reason. The LRN was good, but extremely dirty. I suggest to buy whatever you can get at a reasonable price and go nuts. CZ75 will not let you down.
Very interesting, as I avoided lead because I didn't want to deal with leading issues. Add to that the better price: $49/1000 as opposed to $79/1000 for Berry's, and I'm much more interested. I lack a chronometer- what is your load? I'm using W231 at 4.3gr. I'd be interested in a load that doesn't cause leading in my Shadow.
We're getting a little off the original topic but perhaps it'll help out olbar as well as you.
Leading isn't automatic even for fairly fast bullet speeds up to around 1500fps. Instead leading occurs for "other reasons". Sometimes it is using an alloy which is too hard for a lower pressure and other times it's due to useing too soft a lead for higher pressures. And in all cases if the bullet can't "obturate" to correctly fill the bore then you'll get blowby of the hot gasses and that will melt away the skin of the bullet that is close to the bore and leave deposits of lead.
So really it's all about finding a good bullet maker that has taken into account the proper alloy for the pressures expected of that bullet. By luck or what have you I've got a pretty decent maker locally (Bullet Barn) which seems to be attentive enough that their 9mm rounds worked well for me for the 1000 that I loaded and shot.
I'd love to tell you what I loaded them with but my records of that load are still packed away in boxes in the garage pending the completion of my basement dream workshop renos that are still underway. I do know that I used Bullseye and was getting roughly 1050 fps for a "safe" PF of 130 to use for IPSC matches. So near as I can tell from my reloading book I was likely loading somewhere around 3.9gns of Bullseye. The same Lyman book suggests that your 4.3gns of 231 might be a hair hotter than my load. But we're only talking a trifle.
I don't recomend the Bullseye for these loads though as I found out the hard way that Bullseye is temperature sensitive and shooting my summer tested loads in our wet cool winters in matches produced heaps of problems. I've since switched to Tightgroup based on lots of recomendations for it being temperature stable. If you're doing OK with 231 despite summer to winter temperature shifts then great. Go with it. The powder just generates the pressure after all. Oh, OK, I know there's more to it than that
But not by a lot. It's the bullet size and the alloy it's made from which determines leading or not. So you need to find a lead bullet that measures around .357 and is made from the right alloy that will obturate correctly and seal off your rifling.
$49/1K is a DARN good price. But if it's not the right alloy to avoid the blowby issues due to not obturating to form tight to the bore walls then it's money poorly spent.
Leading isn't automatic even for fairly fast bullet speeds up to around 1500fps. Instead leading occurs for "other reasons". Sometimes it is using an alloy which is too hard for a lower pressure and other times it's due to useing too soft a lead for higher pressures. And in all cases if the bullet can't "obturate" to correctly fill the bore then you'll get blowby of the hot gasses and that will melt away the skin of the bullet that is close to the bore and leave deposits of lead.
So really it's all about finding a good bullet maker that has taken into account the proper alloy for the pressures expected of that bullet. By luck or what have you I've got a pretty decent maker locally (Bullet Barn) which seems to be attentive enough that their 9mm rounds worked well for me for the 1000 that I loaded and shot.
I'd love to tell you what I loaded them with but my records of that load are still packed away in boxes in the garage pending the completion of my basement dream workshop renos that are still underway. I do know that I used Bullseye and was getting roughly 1050 fps for a "safe" PF of 130 to use for IPSC matches. So near as I can tell from my reloading book I was likely loading somewhere around 3.9gns of Bullseye. The same Lyman book suggests that your 4.3gns of 231 might be a hair hotter than my load. But we're only talking a trifle.
I don't recomend the Bullseye for these loads though as I found out the hard way that Bullseye is temperature sensitive and shooting my summer tested loads in our wet cool winters in matches produced heaps of problems. I've since switched to Tightgroup based on lots of recomendations for it being temperature stable. If you're doing OK with 231 despite summer to winter temperature shifts then great. Go with it. The powder just generates the pressure after all. Oh, OK, I know there's more to it than that
But not by a lot. It's the bullet size and the alloy it's made from which determines leading or not. So you need to find a lead bullet that measures around .357 and is made from the right alloy that will obturate correctly and seal off your rifling. $49/1K is a DARN good price. But if it's not the right alloy to avoid the blowby issues due to not obturating to form tight to the bore walls then it's money poorly spent.
Good explanation, thanks for that. I got the $49/1000 from the Bullet Barn website, for their 124grRN, so it should work, right? In any case, there's no hurry, as I just bought 2000 of the Berry's, and that'll keep going for a while. But I'm always looking to trim costs, so down the road, going with lead could make a lot of sense.
I think the Bullet Barn price is $49/500. Let me know if I missed something when I checked out out their site.
Yep, Steve's memory is playing tricks on him BB sells in boxes of 500.
And their current price is $47/500 according to their website. Sadly this is a little, but not by much, more than what I can buy Berry bullets for from Custom the last time I got some from them.
BB sells in boxes of 500.And their current price is $47/500 according to their website. Sadly this is a little, but not by much, more than what I can buy Berry bullets for from Custom the last time I got some from them.
