For new Rifle, .223 or 308?

I agree 1/7 is too fast for a gopher gun. If you like lightweight v-max or likewise polymer tipped rounds as much as I do, go with a 1/9. To fast and you can actually have them tear themselves apart.

Save the 1/7 for the heavy bullets in your ARs.

.308 is a med-long range sniper/ deer cartridge... not for the tiny furries (not that I've never used an uber-mag /shotgun on some;) ).
 
canuckgunny said:
.308 is a med-long range sniper/ deer cartridge... not for the tiny furries (not that I've never used an uber-mag /shotgun on some;) ).
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Would it be dangerous to use a 308 on gophers? Like would it have more of a chance of ricochet then a .223 or 22-250

Realistically I wont be shooting past 500 m.
A .223 with a 1 in 9 twist will put varmit rounds that far accuratly right?
But a 308 would be better... ?
 
With a varmint style bullet, they would be no more dangerous except the fragments would be bigger and more of.

However, the light bullets don't always shoot accurately as the throats in my 308 chambers cater to the common hunting bullets. The throats may be too long for these short stubby bullets.

As for longer distances, the fast twist 223 will be head and shoulders ahead of a light bullet 308. I doubt a 110gr Vmax in a 308 would stay accurate in the wind much past 400yds.

A 75gr Amax can be accurately (hit a pop can) launched to 600yds in moderate winds and to 1000yds in light conditions.

Neither is as ideal as a faster 22 cal, or 6mm/6.5 for ranges beyond 600yds when the wind is up.

Jerry
 
Hmm I found a very lightly used CZ 527 .223 heavy barrel, comes with CZ base and rings too. Price is 600.
Its a 1 in 12 twist though.

If I were to rebarrel it would get a new stock aswell, but is the action worth doing all that work around?
I really really do love the CZ single set trigger of my cz550 22 250.
 
I owned a early version of this rifle - Bruno Fox in 222. It shot very very well. The action is typical Mauser - sloppy when you run the bolt but a pretty solid lock up. It would make a very nice donor. The set triggers are wonderful.

Big downside is the extractor is not designed for push feed so dropping one in the action will usually not work. All ammo has to feed from the mag - controlled rd feeding style. This will limit you if you go to the longer bullets seated way out there. They may not fit in the mag (problem I am facing for another project).

The extractor can be modified to push feed, maybe, but there is not much you can do about the mag. If you can measure the max length of the mag, that will help in your decision. Please post your findings as I am curious.

If all you are doing is shooting factory length ammo, why bother even changing the barrel?

I looked at this rifle but because I am going to be seating the 75 and 80gr Amax way longer then standard, I didn't pursue the rifle.

Jerry
 
mysticplayer said:
I owned a early version of this rifle - Bruno Fox in 222. It shot very very well. The action is typical Mauser - sloppy when you run the bolt but a pretty solid lock up. It would make a very nice donor. The set triggers are wonderful.

Big downside is the extractor is not designed for push feed so dropping one in the action will usually not work. All ammo has to feed from the mag - controlled rd feeding style. This will limit you if you go to the longer bullets seated way out there. They may not fit in the mag (problem I am facing for another project).

The extractor can be modified to push feed, maybe, but there is not much you can do about the mag. If you can measure the max length of the mag, that will help in your decision. Please post your findings as I am curious.

If all you are doing is shooting factory length ammo, why bother even changing the barrel?

I looked at this rifle but because I am going to be seating the 75 and 80gr Amax way longer then standard, I didn't pursue the rifle.

Jerry
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At this current time I dont have the time to reload and refine. Between school and work I only really have time to pick up a couple boxes befor heading out with a couple buddies to make some small firry varmits explode.
But in a year or 18 months after my school is over and I have settled down into my job I will get into reloading.
My 22-250 will be due for a new barrel for sure at that time (hot little bugger). But I have a feeling I wont be able to put enough rounds through this .223 for it to need a rebarrel, but I wouldnt mind making it something more custom once I have the extra time.

Once I do start making it something custom I will post all the info I can get :) Providing in a year and half I dont deside I want to go 6mm or something too.

From what I have heard is that you will tire of filling the mag befor you can make this barrel too hot, I am not sure if thats true though.
Would be nice to find a 10 round mag for it too.
 
The lam stock HB is pretty custom already. The barrels usually shoot 1/2 MOA or better with handloads or if you are lucky with factory. The set trigger is equal to any aftermarket. The stock is gorgeous, etc, etc.

If all you are doing is poodle popping, get the rifle, get some 45gr Win bulk from Cdn Tire/Wallyland and don't worry about the bling. you will be having so much fun actually shooting the rifle then dreaming and typing.

When the 22/250 craps out, you can go 6BR/6-22/250/243, 22/250 reg. or AI fast twist and have all the long range performance you can ever want. The 243 could serve dual varminting and hunting.

For varminting, volume of shooting at the lowest cost is what I would strive for. 300yds is a very long ways for pd shooting in any kind of wind. The 223 with 40gr Vmax or any other bullet that will stabilize in a 12 twist is all you will need for this distance.

The 'bigger' rifle can be set up for those way out there.

don't worry. You can turn a 223 barrel toasty even with stopping to fill a mag.

Jerry
 
mysticplayer said:
The lam stock HB is pretty custom already. The barrels usually shoot 1/2 MOA or better with handloads or if you are lucky with factory. The set trigger is equal to any aftermarket. The stock is gorgeous, etc, etc.

If all you are doing is poodle popping, get the rifle, get some 45gr Win bulk from Cdn Tire/Wallyland and don't worry about the bling. you will be having so much fun actually shooting the rifle then dreaming and typing.

When the 22/250 craps out, you can go 6BR/6-22/250/243, 22/250 reg. or AI fast twist and have all the long range performance you can ever want. The 243 could serve dual varminting and hunting.

For varminting, volume of shooting at the lowest cost is what I would strive for. 300yds is a very long ways for pd shooting in any kind of wind. The 223 with 40gr Vmax or any other bullet that will stabilize in a 12 twist is all you will need for this distance.

The 'bigger' rifle can be set up for those way out there.

don't worry. You can turn a 223 barrel toasty even with stopping to fill a mag.

Jerry
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You convinced me, I'll go buy it tomorrow :O
I really like my 22-250, my 4 round groups at 200m can be covered up with a toonie. I dont know how many moa that is though, never really did understand that whole moa thing.
One thing I like about the 22-250 is that even being sighted in for 200m at even 50m its hardly a 1/2cm off, and anything between 75 and 250 is close enough to dead on that I will call it dead on. And thats shooting white box special from crappy tire too.

I guess I am worried that with the .223 I will have to know how far it is to compensate or something.
 
Have a look at Remington's website, there's a simple ballistics program that lets you compare 3 cartridges at once. You have little to worry about and for flatness you'll find the .204 Ruger beats the 22-250 but you'll pay for ammo too. .223 great all around choice.
 
For a factory, I'd go for the CZ varmint in 308 25.5" barrel weighing 10 lbs using factory loaded Hornady SST light mag's and you'll do sub-moa no problem and easily shoot out to 1,000, plus have a bit of omph.
 
Get one of each. Make your own decission which best suits you. Keep one and sell the other one through the many friends who offered you advice.
Think of all the money you can save by shipping two versus one. You will never be happy with just one gun . . . happiness is a warm gun!
 
I bought the CZ527 .223 from P&D last week :)
And I have a CZ550 22-250 from Pheonix Range.

I will have to wait for the 308. Damn jeep needs the next bit of disposable income. Damn Tires cost too much.


Purevil, I like the CZ far better then the Rem700. It just feels much nicer, the trigger, the stock, its just a good package. And I know they shoot better then I do.
 
inukshuk said:
I know this is off-topic, but I couldn't resist. Is your Jeep modified in any way and if so how? I have one to and it's very modified. :p
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To make this a bit ontopic... My CZ 22-250 is alot of fun to shoot. I cant wait to beat down some gophers with it :)
So far 22-250 is my favorite round :)

now a bit of ot.
I have a 99 XJ, it has a 3" OME lift on it, 31" tires. I have my winters on right now, but once the snow melts a bit more I will put AT's back on, but I am not running around another summer with 28.5" POS walmart AT tires again. I have no idea what the last owner was thinking.
 
inukshuk said:
Rem isn't the only good gun maker's out there.
CZ for example from Europe very good.

http://www.cz-usa.com/
http://p201.ezboard.com/bczechpistols82792
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Thanks but Im well aware that there are other quality manus out there, but my question was I see people mention models like "police" or "tactical", etc. but when I goto Rems website there is no model supporting what is mentioned in some of these threads.
 
PUREVIL said:
Thanks but Im well aware that there are other quality manus out there, but my question was I see people mention models like "police" or "tactical", etc. but when I goto Rems website there is no model supporting what is mentioned in some of these threads.
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For Remington Tactical:
http://www.remingtonle.com/
Plus CZ and Tikka also have tactical

Tactical would be a heavy barrel that is bedded, plus pillars added, then different stocks.
 
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