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Hi all. Just wondering what kind of dies, presses, etc you guys and gals are using to make your very accurate rounds. So far, I have worked up great accurate loads for my 30-06 and 375 H&H. Both are shooting accubonds over RL powders and are shooting about .5 MOA at 100 metres when I do my part. Also, both are new FN M70's. Have shot out to 300 metres well also. Both are seated just off the lands and are full length sized.

My old 222. Remington Sako L461 heavy weight love IMR4198 with 50gr blitz and 50gr SPSX. I tried H322 and H4198 with poor results. I can get about 1 MOA at 200 metres if I do my part. Again, bullets are seated just off the lands and full length sized. Haven't tried my neck die yet.

My 22-250 Sako AII can only get about 1 MOA at 100 metres with 50gr blitzkings and V-max. The 53gr Sierra match HP does a bit better. I tried regular primers but found better results with mag primers. Bullets are seated off the lands and cases are full length sized. I thought maybe a faster twist than the factory 1:14 would be better, I may re-barrel and bed the gun. Thinking of a 1:8 or 1:9 and make this thing a real coyote thumper. I have talked to a bunch of friends that have loaded for years and they all say the same thing - 22-250 is not an accurate cartridge but I feel a faster twist barrel may really bring this thing to life.

Back to the equipment - I am using standard redding dies and an RCBS press. Standard RCBS powder measure as well. Would it pay at 300 metres to be going to competition and match dies?

Would bedding my 22-250 before re-barreling show up in my groups? I have no flyers, just consistnet groups of about 1 MOA.

Thanks,
Steve
 
Contrary to what you read on this and other forums 1 MOA is not "poor results".

Prior to the introduction of the internet anyone shooting repeatable, verified, 1 MOA groups at the range using a hunting rifle would have the bragging rights for many weeks.
 
'Boo said:
Contrary to what you read on this and other forums 1 MOA is not "poor results".

Prior to the introduction of the internet anyone shooting repeatable, verified, 1 MOA groups at the range using a hunting rifle would have the bragging rights for many weeks.
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Agreed completely!
I just like all my guns shooting tight,
 
I use a Lee Classic turret press and a Lyman 1200 to measure powder for my rifle. Just a little over the 0.5 MOA from a sporterized VZ24 with an original military barrel. Works for me.
 
If I can get a regular hunting rifle to shoot 1 MoA, I'm happy.
Heavy barrel, target rifles I do expect more from.

I have a Rem 700 in 308 with medium-heavy barrel and some other upgrades (including trigger). It's not a top tier match rifle but is better than the others I own. With Lee dies in an RCBS Pardner press I've shot groups of .875" at 200 yards. That's not a regular thing for me, usually more like 1.125" at 200yds.

It may also be worth noting that 100 meters is about 109 yards. 1 MoA at 100 yards is ~1.04" and at 100 meters is 29.1mm or ~1.15". You have over 1/8" extra because it's a longer distance.
1 MoA at 300 yards is ~3.14" but at 300 meters is ~3.44". Over a 1/4" difference.
 
I have found personally there are ways to reduce the problems associated with "cheap dies". Awhile ago I bought a neck/bullet runout gauge. I started paying a lot more attention to my loaded rounds and measuring each round. What I found I didn't believe at first but later accepted it. I had loaded rounds that had .006-.008" runout. What I did then next was try adjusting my full length die to what some others had suggested so that the expander ball was centered in the case better.That dropped it down to .003" runout pretty consistently or a little less but would throw the odd one back up to .004-.005" runout. I wasn't totally satesfied yet. With the same brass that had .004" I pulled the bullet out and tried to eliminate more. I resized the case again and went to seat the bullet. I seated the bullet a third of the way and rotated the case 90 degrees, seated another third of the way and rotated the case again another 90 degrees and finished seating the bullet. I measured again and had .002" runout. Pretty happy with this but had wanted to see if I could get it any better. I pulled the bullet again and I ran it through the full length sizer die again then Turned it 90 degrees and ran back through again, turned it once more 90 degrees and ran it through one last time for a total of 3 times. Seated the bullet the exact same way as in previous step and measured again. It went down to just under .001" runout. I don't know if this is necessary on every case, but doin this on some previously high runout cases of .005" has got them back into .002". I have just loaded up some test rounds for a 22/250 and did this method and constantly got under .002" runout. This was on over 50 pieces of second fired remington brass with nothing but the cheapest LEE dies. My Forster benchrest dies only get me at best .0005"-.0015".

Just some experiences I have had i though I would share. It's going to depend on brass neck thickness a certain amount,bullet you choose and just how fussy you are.
 
sharp shooter said:
Hi all. Just wondering what kind of dies, presses, etc you guys and gals are using to make your very accurate rounds. So far, I have worked up great accurate loads for my 30-06 and 375 H&H. Both are shooting accubonds over RL powders and are shooting about .5 MOA at 100 metres when I do my part. Also, both are new FN M70's. Have shot out to 300 metres well also. Both are seated just off the lands and are full length sized.

My old 222. Remington Sako L461 heavy weight love IMR4198 with 50gr blitz and 50gr SPSX. I tried H322 and H4198 with poor results. I can get about 1 MOA at 200 metres if I do my part. Again, bullets are seated just off the lands and full length sized. Haven't tried my neck die yet.

My 22-250 Sako AII can only get about 1 MOA at 100 metres with 50gr blitzkings and V-max. The 53gr Sierra match HP does a bit better. I tried regular primers but found better results with mag primers. Bullets are seated off the lands and cases are full length sized. I thought maybe a faster twist than the factory 1:14 would be better, I may re-barrel and bed the gun. Thinking of a 1:8 or 1:9 and make this thing a real coyote thumper. I have talked to a bunch of friends that have loaded for years and they all say the same thing - 22-250 is not an accurate cartridge but I feel a faster twist barrel may really bring this thing to life.

Back to the equipment - I am using standard redding dies and an RCBS press. Standard RCBS powder measure as well. Would it pay at 300 metres to be going to competition and match dies?

Would bedding my 22-250 before re-barreling show up in my groups? I have no flyers, just consistnet groups of about 1 MOA.

Thanks,
Steve
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You have great groups for hunting rifles. I, like yourself, use Reloader 19 for my 30-06, it also loves IMR4064. I again use RCBS reloading equipment and Redding dies which is very good equipment. If you wish to increase your accuracy, there are many great little tips. Best to check out: accurate reloader or 6mmBR web site.
 
track said:
You have great groups for hunting rifles. I, like yourself, use Reloader 19 for my 30-06, it also loves IMR4064. I again use RCBS reloading equipment and Redding dies which is very good equipment. If you wish to increase your accuracy, there are many great little tips. Best to check out: accurate reloader or 6mmBR web site.
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I actually use RL22 for the 30-06 but have read of other good results with with RL19. Both my 30-06 and 375 loads came from the Nosler site and were unbelievable. First loads I tried in those guns!
 
I use Lee Collet, and Forster Benchrest Seater dies. When I need to resize, I use Redding dies - when cartridges become hard to chamber. So far so good, I shoot 50 gr Blitzkings out of my 22-250 and am at 1/4 MOA at 200 yards. Most of my loads are touching lands, but backed off .015" recently in a 7mm Rem Mag.

I generally trim every firing, most likely not required but by the time I measure with the caliper, I might as well! When I test accuracy, I find it better to be undisturbed (not at range) so I can really focus on squeeze.
 
Sharpshooter,
You aren't the only shooter frustrated by the 22-250. It is hard to keep loads tuned. If you have a run out gauge check run out on fired cases, after resizing, and finally after seating bullets. Also curious about the case trimmer you use. Again if you have a run out indicator check the trimmed edge of cases. With a 1:14 twist barrel short bullets will not seat straight in cartridges that are not trimmed perfectly square. Throwing away collet holding cartridge case trimmer with sloppy pilots improved the accuracy of everything I reloaded. I bought a Wilson case trimmer with 22 degree inside neck chamfer tool. Cases are square, inside neck chamfer is cut in a Wilson trimmer and its square too. Short bullets seat straight and square. Just about bought a 22-250 a few days ago, but passed on it when I reminded self of grief with 22-250 loads.
 
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