For TRG rifles, new Pic rail

[alberta tactical rifle]

For those who want to equip their TRG22 or TRG42 rifles with a true Picatiiny rail that not only is held down by just screws as so many are, we now offer a plus 25moa rail that is precisely fit to the factory dovetail and then is locked in place with 4 screws for added ZERO movement of scope security.
These rails are CNC machined from 17-4 stainless steel and then chemically blackened.
They come with screws and a 6x40 tpi tap to chase the factory threads out
.003" as the factory metric screws are cost prohibitive.
Priced at $250.00 these are significantly less expensive than what the factory rails are and a better design that allows for the use of any picatiiny ring and allows for mounting of the scope in alot more locations as there are slots from end to end of the rail.
For more info see the optics section of our website.

 

[Slavex]

I've always thought that having a base that slid onto the grooves was the way to go, but a tech at Sako said the recoil lugs in their bases is an important factor in maintaining accuracy and such. But then again, you don't see that on Remingtons. I also like the idea of the extra slots. Looking forward to seeing one of these in person.

 

[alberta tactical rifle]

I've always thought that having a base that slid onto the grooves was the way to go, but a tech at Sako said the recoil lugs in their bases is an important factor in maintaining accuracy and such. But then again, you don't see that on Remingtons. I also like the idea of the extra slots. Looking forward to seeing one of these in person.

The "recoil lug" used on the factory mounting system is to keep the rail from moving forward under recoil, there by stressing the little clamps that provide the "pressure locking" of the base to the dovetail. I can certainly see why this is important on the factory scope mounting system.

Our rail employs the use of 4 screws through the top of the rail down into the action to accomplish the same result, as our dovetail slot is full length of the action, so I guess then we have incorporated 4 recoil lugs in effect.
I will try and post some photos asap.

 

[dizzy]

I agree on the factory lug concept, would rather have security against recoil pressures than from lateral pressures (which the slide on rail provides) especially on the 338, The lugs on the bottom of factory rails (and others) is my security that the recoil will not stress the screws holding the rail on the receiver.

 

[johnl]

How does it compare to Richard Near's rail?

 

[alberta tactical rifle]

How does it compare to Richard Near's rail?

There is no comparison. Nears base while well made is simply attached with 4 screws, nothing more as it does not make use of the factory dovetail at all.

Our rail slides tightly over the factory dovetail and uses the 4 screws to keep the rail stationary from forward or rearward movement. Thee is zero lateral movement as the dovetail is tapered from rear to front
To sheer off the Near rail, like almost any other rail on most rifles means breaking 4 small screws and your scope hits the ground. I realize this is an unlikely occurance but I seriously doubt that anyone could ever sheer off 4 screws AND the steel surrounding the dovetail resulting in the scope still hitting the ground.
Also the dovetail is used to ensure that the rail is truly inline with the bore. Screws by necessity have to have tolerance within the holes they go through, so getting the rail "perfectly" inline with the action/bore is a bit more difficult that it is with using the dovetail that is machined into the action when it is made.

Richard makes a great product, I just believe what we have come up with is a superior 1 for about the same or less $$

 

[P of PDent]

We brought in the ATR rails for the TRG and Rem 700 (SA and LA) and are extremley pleased with robustness and fit of these parts. We offer these rails for those customers "who want the best and know the difference" (sorry I stole that from Galco Holsters but you get my meaning). Phil.

 

[757Fixer]

I think I'll get one of these and use the Alphamount on top with my S&B for my 42.

 

[TRG-42]

There is no comparison. Nears base while well made is simply attached with 4 screws, nothing more as it does not make use of the factory dovetail at all.

Our rail slides tightly over the factory dovetail and uses the 4 screws to keep the rail stationary from forward or rearward movement. Thee is zero lateral movement as the dovetail is tapered from rear to front
To sheer off the Near rail, like almost any other rail on most rifles means breaking 4 small screws and your scope hits the ground. I realize this is an unlikely occurance but I seriously doubt that anyone could ever sheer off 4 screws AND the steel surrounding the dovetail resulting in the scope still hitting the ground.
Also the dovetail is used to ensure that the rail is truly inline with the bore. Screws by necessity have to have tolerance within the holes they go through, so getting the rail "perfectly" inline with the action/bore is a bit more difficult that it is with using the dovetail that is machined into the action when it is made.

Richard makes a great product, I just believe what we have come up with is a superior 1 for about the same or less $$

You are incorrect describing the NEAR base. The Near rail has 3 lugs fit PERFECTLY ( there is not discernable movement of the rail BEFORE its screwed down) of the recesses in the top of the TRG-42 action. Takes a bit of pressure to press on. All side to side and lateral force is taken up by these lugs. The 6 screws ( proper metric ) just hold it down

The older NEAR TRG-42 bases had 4 screws but that was years ago

BTW - NEARS Sako 75 base makes use of the factory dovetails just like your TRG-42 Rail . His opinion ( not that I agree or disagree ) is the dovetail base is not as good as the 3 recoil lugs lugs that mate to the TRG reciever for a 338Lapua. He uses the dovetail design for other guns

 

[alberta tactical rifle]

You are incorrect describing the NEAR base. The Near rail has 3 lugs fit PERFECTLY ( there is not discernable movement of the rail BEFORE its screwed down) of the recesses in the top of the TRG-42 action. Takes a bit of pressure to press on. All side to side and lateral force is taken up by these lugs. The 6 screws ( proper metric ) just hold it down

The older NEAR TRG-42 bases had 4 screws but that was years ago

BTW - NEARS Sako 75 base makes use of the factory dovetails just like your TRG-42 Rail . His opinion ( not that I agree or disagree ) is the dovetail base is not as good as the 3 recoil lugs lugs that mate to the TRG reciever for a 338Lapua. He uses the dovetail design for other guns

I appreciate your input. We have a Near rail that was supplied to us by a client. It would seem he had recently purchased old stock.
Apparently I stand corrected on what Richard is producing.

 

[Slavex]

oooh, combining an ATR base with the Alpha mount, very cool. looking forward to this. Is it possible to use your base with factory screws?

 

[TRG-42]

I appreciate your input. We have a Near rail that was supplied to us by a client. It would seem he had recently purchased old stock.
Apparently I stand corrected on what Richard is producing.

I thinks its great that we have more options ...expecially Canadian options. Keep up us updated as you come out with more goodies!

 

[alberta tactical rifle]

oooh, combining an ATR base with the Alpha mount, very cool. looking forward to this. Is it possible to use your base with factory screws?

Yes the reason for us changing the screws is simply that we can not find a source that can supply the metric screws for under about $3.00 each and in any volume.

 

[Slavex]

gotcha, but if someone had the screws they could use them instead of chasing the the threads to standard? I've never had any trouble getting screws from Sako or Stoeger.

 

[EC]

gotcha, but if someone had the screws they could use them instead of chasing the the threads to standard? I've never had any trouble getting screws from Sako or Stoeger.

Me either, I have one of Richard's bases for my TRG 22 and it fits like a glove. Those lugs mate perfectly with the top of the receiver and with metric screws to boot. I would be hesitant to piss around with changing the threads.

 

[alberta tactical rifle]

gotcha, but if someone had the screws they could use them instead of chasing the the threads to standard? I've never had any trouble getting screws from Sako or Stoeger.

Stoeger can suply them but not in any volume, and at about $3.00 each
The parts guy there nearly crapped when I asked about ordering 1000 or more.
The only reason to chase the threads is that there is just enough difference (.003) that 1 "could" sheer off a screw head and we would prefer to err on the side of caution and include a tap that may not be required than to not make buyers aware of this detail.

 

[alberta tactical rifle]

USOPTICS also makes one for the Sako Actions. No dovetail (but tapered)but lots of material to take any side impact! Priced around $100 usd.

Do you have any photos showing the machining of the taper dovetail?

Any photos of one installed on a action? Sounds like a sweet base.

The USO rails are made of 6061 aluminum, NOT 17-4 stainless steel. And I note they too use imperial screws that require chasing the threads, but THEY do not supply a tap, we do.
There are photos of our rails on our website.
I am trying to get some better photos up asap, unfortunately rails are not terribly photogenic

 

[beltfed]

You are incorrect describing the NEAR base. The Near rail has 3 lugs fit PERFECTLY ( there is not discernable movement of the rail BEFORE its screwed down) of the recesses in the top of the TRG-42 action. Takes a bit of pressure to press on. All side to side and lateral force is taken up by these lugs. The 6 screws ( proper metric ) just hold it down
...
The older NEAR TRG-42 bases had 4 screws but that was years ago

So what you're saying is I got boned by buying old/new stock?

Fantastic!

 

[alberta tactical rifle]

The Near rail has 3 lugs fit PERFECTLY ( there is not discernable movement of the rail BEFORE its screwed down) of the recesses in the top of the TRG-42 action. Takes a bit of pressure to press on. All side to side and lateral force is taken up by these lugs. The 6 screws ( proper metric ) just hold it down

Rereading this, a question then.
Does the newest rail for the TRGs make use of the dovetail at all? Or does it still just sit on top of the action? I think I understand correctly that there are 3 protruding lugs that sit in recesses on the top of the action that keep the rail from moving side to side or fore and aft, but is it not still just the screws that hold it in place? Meaning if the screws were not in place would the rail fall off if the rifle was inverted?
Just trying to get my head around it is all.

 

[carbonrod]

I am a little confused as to the lugless Near mount people are talking about. The only Near TRG mounts that I have seen all have lugs in them:

I don't have any real contact with anyone from Near, but their image log appears to indicate that this mount came out around March 2008.