Form 6 NIA: What makes the grade?

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I know any American made rifle is a high probabilty of being approved.
I also know that guys have been turned down to bring VZ-58s down south. And that Norincos are out of the question.

What about:
CZ 858?
SL8?
SL8 masquerading as a G36?
Sig PE-90?

anything I'm not naming? I've you've taken a black rifle south, tell me about it. Its not going to make or break a purchase decision, but I think its a small factor.
 
List whatever you want on the Form 6 NIA....let the ATF decide if you can import it temporarily into the US or not. Any they don't like, they'll simple put a line through. I got away with my Norinco 1911A1 for a year simply because it wasn't crossed off like my SKS was.
AR15's must have a barrel length of at least 16".
 
KevinB said:
The AFT views the CZ/VZ 58's (and 858's) as machine guns.
Same with the PE90/Sig550- and the Blue Star series.

Well no, not as machine guns; actually, they view them as "Non-Sporting purpose"/ weapons.

To import ANY firearms into the 'states they have to meet a "sporting purpose" point system.

Century International is importing a single stack mag, thumbhole stocked version of the VZ-58 right now to get around this.

This is also the same reason that Glocks now have plastic adjustable rear sights and thumb swells.
 
No they actually consider them MACHINE GUNS

I am fairly well versed in US laws --

In the US they consider weapon manufactured that can take auto parts kits to be machine guns.
Semi Auto variants are ok if they have different parts.
Addtionally Imported Semi Auto firearms require a number of US made parts
 
Flanker said:
I know any American made rifle is a high probabilty of being approved.
I also know that guys have been turned down to bring VZ-58s down south. And that Norincos are out of the question.

What about:
CZ 858?
SL8?
SL8 masquerading as a G36?
Sig PE-90?

anything I'm not naming? I've you've taken a black rifle south, tell me about it. Its not going to make or break a purchase decision, but I think its a small factor.

There are a whole bunch of different import regulations to take firearms into the US, and it is a complete minefield to understand.

18 USC 925(d)(3) imposes a "sporting purpose" test for taking firearms into the US, however it is important to note that THIS TEST DOES NOT APPLY TO TEMPORARY IMPORTS! Nor by inference does 18 USC 922(r) (ban on guns made from imported parts). Chinese-made guns should also qualify for import, but only temporarily. I'm not sure about the lend-lease guns. Have a read of 27 CFR 478.115(d)(1):

(d) Firearms and ammunition are not imported into the United States, and the provisions of this subpart shall not apply, when such firearms and ammunition are brought into the United States by:

(1) A nonresident of the United States for legitimate hunting or lawful sporting purposes, and such firearms and such ammunition as remains following such shooting activity are to be taken back out of the territorial limits of the United States by such person upon conclusion of the shooting activity

So basically if you apply on Form 6NIA you can take in things you can't take in if you apply on Form 6 Part 1.

Of the guns you list there, only the 858 would be banned from temporary import because it "incorporates the frame or receiver of a machinegun" and is thus banned from import under 18 USC 922(o).

I have been in an on-going fight with the ATF Import Branch about the Swiss Arms rifles for some time now and it is frankly getting right up my nose. The Import Branch say they incorporate the frame or receiver of a machinegun and won't grant a Form 6NIA for them, however, the ATF Technology Branch have told me that they don't, if it's the semi-automatic version. For some reason they can't seem to get their act together on this one. I have actually written to the head of the Import Branch enclosing a letter from the Technology Branch, and the application was still turned down.

Basically they have a book which says what they can and can't approve, and obviously that book doesn't mention that there is a semi-automatic version of the rifles.

If anyone has managed to get a Form 6NIA approved for a Swiss Arms rifle, I would like to know.

So to sum up - you should be able to take in most things, but you have to deal with the ####wit factor at ATF.
 
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KevinB said:
No they actually consider them MACHINE GUNS

I am fairly well versed in US laws --

In the US they consider weapon manufactured that can take auto parts kits to be machine guns.
Semi Auto variants are ok if they have different parts.
Addtionally Imported Semi Auto firearms require a number of US made parts

Keerekt!

As already noted, the non-sporting thing is excempt for temporary import. ie. It's OK to bring in AR15s for temporary import, NOT for sale or permanent import.

It's anything that they classify under their NFA that will NOT be allowed a temp import via a Form6 NIA.

And they classify a lot of our firearms that we have in Canada as NFA firearms.
 
koldt said:
Keerekt!

As already noted, the non-sporting thing is excempt for temporary import. ie. It's OK to bring in AR15s for temporary import, NOT for sale or permanent import.

It's anything that they classify under their NFA that will NOT be allowed a temp import via a Form6 NIA.

And they classify a lot of our firearms that we have in Canada as NFA firearms.

Ohhhhhh ####. You 100% on that?
 
Of the guns you list there, only the 858 would be banned from temporary import because it "incorporates the frame or receiver of a machinegun" and is thus banned from import under 18 USC 922(o).

I thought the VZ58 receiver could not take full auto parts any way?

What about a US made M1 Carbine? Is it not allowed because of the lend/lease deal for temporary import?


Fudd
 
i tried a whole bunch of times for the 858, pictures, letters, websites. they gave the same answer all the time, no machine guns!
wouldn't feel so bad if it were a machine gun.
 
KevinB said:
It wont be valid anymore...

But it should be, because the Swiss Arms rifles have bespoke semi-auto receivers. And ATF Technology Branch agree. But the import branch doesn't. It's just beyond stupid. Talk about bureaucracy.
 
ElmerFudd said:
What about a US made M1 Carbine? Is it not allowed because of the lend/lease deal for temporary import?

Try it, find out, the application is free. Permanent imports definitely aren't legal, not sure about temporary imports because lots of obscure State dept. regulations come into play. They may define import differently from ATF.
 
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