Former Beretta 92 owners, what did you move on to and why?

If you are a fully sponsored shooter does it matter how long a pistol survives the rigours of the sport?

Few people. including guys who compete socially ever put enough rounds on a gun to say they are worn out. Guys spew put numbers of rounds shot in a year like candy. Vogel says in his CD on shooting IDPA he has seldom shot more than 20,000 rds in a year. Claims he averages around 10,000. He says he dry fires 10 - 1 the number of rounds shot. He just won the US Nationals by 50 seconds over the next closest shooter.

If the shooter shoots six matches a year @ 400 rounds per match he only manages to shoot 2400 per year. It would take that same shooter 62 years of competitions to reach 150,00 rds. or Vogel 15 years of practice shooting.

Just about any gun you can name will give most shooters a lifetime of shooting and never be shot to the true potential of the gun.

Take Care

Bob
 
Went to a CZ Shadow and I love it! I thought the M92fs was smooth but the Shadiw is like butter! Would never go back.
 
Slavex said:
yup, once, and now Ben shoots a Tanfo. I have a Beretta that lasted to 150+ rounds, but it was not a competition gun, and it's extremely rare for them to get that high. Aluminum framed guns die much quicker than steel or even polymer frame guns.
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Doesn't matter, it still came 2nd and yes he does shoot a Tanfo now and came 3rd with it the following year which proves the 92 is just as competitive and anything else that is available.

Extremely rare to get that high? I remembering reading an article written by a US military armorer who said that a lot of the m9's have seen more than 100k+ rounds of military ball ammo (not min PF ammo) and have been used for everything from shooting to hammering in tent pegs for 20+ years by multiple shooters with little to no basic maintenance and weathered it every bit as good as the all steel 1911's before them. I also remember Ben stating in an article that one of his has 100k+ and still groups.
 
Canuck44 said:
If you are a fully sponsored shooter does it matter how long a pistol survives the rigours of the sport?

Few people. including guys who compete socially ever put enough rounds on a gun to say they are worn out. Guys spew put numbers of rounds shot in a year like candy. Vogel says in his CD on shooting IDPA he has seldom shot more than 20,000 rds in a year. Claims he averages around 10,000. He says he dry fires 10 - 1 the number of rounds shot. He just won the US Nationals by 50 seconds over the next closest shooter.

If the shooter shoots six matches a year @ 400 rounds per match he only manages to shoot 2400 per year. It would take that same shooter 62 years of competitions to reach 150,00 rds. or Vogel 15 years of practice shooting.

Just about any gun you can name will give most shooters a lifetime of shooting and never be shot to the true potential of the gun.

Take Care

Bob
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I find it hard to believe that top shooters dont shoot more than that. I know a few of the local shooters that shoot more than 20,000 a year. I didnt get to practice a lot this year due to work but in other years i tried to get to the range about once a week and usually shoot 100-200 rounds a session. As for matches this year the main club around here that puts on IPSC matches does 12 a year and that includes the provincials and in a 12 month period only missed 1 last Feb. Our club hosted 2 matches this summer and the next closest club in NS hosted 2 as well plus I also went to the Summer Slam level 3 at the Restigouche club in NB and the Canadian Nationals in NS this year. Doing the math I would say I shoot between 7k to 10k a year depending on work restraints and there are quite a few guys that shoot a lot more than that between practice as well as going to other matches held at other clubs within driving distance on NS and NB.
 
xldbldbl said:
I find it hard to believe that top shooters dont shoot more than that. I know a few of the local shooters that shoot more than 20,000 a year. I didnt get to practice a lot this year due to work but in other years i tried to get to the range about once a week and usually shoot 100-200 rounds a session. As for matches this year the main club around here that puts on IPSC matches does 12 a year and that includes the provincials and in a 12 month period only missed 1 last Feb. Our club hosted 2 matches this summer and the next closest club in NS hosted 2 as well plus I also went to the Summer Slam level 3 at the Restigouche club in NB and the Canadian Nationals in NS this year. Doing the math I would say I shoot between 7k to 10k a year depending on work restraints and there are quite a few guys that shoot a lot more than that between practice as well as going to other matches held at other clubs within driving distance on NS and NB.
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Which one of you shoot better than Bob Vogel? To shoot 10K practice rounds a year you would have to shoot your 200 rds every weekend without fail which is possible I guess. I assume Bob Vogel has no reason to lie in a shooting Video. Maybe you should do more dry firing and less time just pulling the trigger on live rounds.
In any event it would take you between 15 years and 21 years to get to the 150K rounds Rob speaks to. Carry on.

I agree guns do last a very long time. Barrels do wear out though and I would assume accuracy would show some signs of falling off at around 20K - 30Krounds but who knows.

I doubt many shooters shoot 10K a year frankly. Even the most dedicated A Class shooters have a life outside of IPSC.

Take Care

Bob
 
You can't go wrong with a Beretta. OP if you want one get it, its an awesome gun.

I've been shooting my 92FS Inox for years, had others (90two, 92 Centurion, basic 92, another Inox) Also recently got a Girsan Compact - was pretty surprised that I actually liked it as much as I did. As Cunuck44 said they're the best gun for the money at that price point.
So no I haven't moved no, Ive had dozens of other handguns but sticking with Beretta, CZ75 and Glock gen4.
 
I have an 92 Compact inox and absolutely love it, traded a Sig 1911 TME for it, zero regrets, had a Girsan prior to the Beretta which my daughter still shoots, i have smaller hands and thought i would try a 1911 which i liked and shot well with but not like the Beretta, the front & rear backstrap checkering on the compact was a selling feature aswell, nice and grippy and i find helps with smaller hands. It would be one of the last guns to go for me.
 
Canuck44 said:
Which one of you shoot better than Bob Vogel? To shoot 10K practice rounds a year you would have to shoot your 200 rds every weekend without fail which is possible I guess. I assume Bob Vogel has no reason to lie in a shooting Video. Maybe you should do more dry firing and less time just pulling the trigger on live rounds.
In any event it would take you between 15 years and 21 years to get to the 150K rounds Rob speaks to. Carry on.

I agree guns do last a very long time. Barrels do wear out though and I would assume accuracy would show some signs of falling off at around 20K - 30Krounds but who knows.

I doubt many shooters shoot 10K a year frankly. Even the most dedicated A Class shooters have a life outside of IPSC.

Take Care

Bob
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I just looked up a Q&A with Bob Vogel, it didnt give a round count but I think he shoots a lot more than 10k a year. He did say he dry fires 8-10 for every live round but he also said in the last 10-12 years he has never gone more than 2 weeks without shooting and is usually at the range shooting anywhere from 1 to 5 times a week. Take an average of 2.5 times a week at 200+ rounds a session then add all the matches he shoots on top of that and I think 30k+ would be a closer figure. Like I said in an earlier post one of Ben Stoegers 92's has over 100k on it and Rob said he put over 150k on one and im betting the numbers are probably the same for his Shadows, you dont just "ragged hole" the A zone on several targets per session with just a few rounds.

Yes, maybe I should spend more time dry firing but dry firing sucks, shooting live rounds at practice nights and at club matches is a lot more fun. Im a 50 yr old mechanic with a bad back and bad knees, I dont do it to win the world, I do it to have fun, talk crap with the other guys and take a road trip to a match somewhere once or twice a month with a couple of my friends.
 
xldbldbl said:
I just looked up a Q&A with Bob Vogel, it didnt give a round count but I think he shoots a lot more than 10k a year. He did say he dry fires 8-10 for every live round but he also said in the last 10-12 years he has never gone more than 2 weeks without shooting and is usually at the range shooting anywhere from 1 to 5 times a week. Take an average of 2.5 times a week at 200+ rounds a session then add all the matches he shoots on top of that and I think 30k+ would be a closer figure. Like I said in an earlier post one of Ben Stoegers 92's has over 100k on it and Rob said he put over 150k on one and im betting the numbers are probably the same for his Shadows, you dont just "ragged hole" the A zone on several targets per session with just a few rounds.

Yes, maybe I should spend more time dry firing but dry firing sucks, shooting live rounds at practice nights and at club matches is a lot more fun. Im a 50 yr old mechanic with a bad back and bad knees, I dont do it to win the world, I do it to have fun, talk crap with the other guys and take a road trip to a match somewhere once or twice a month with a couple of my friends.
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The quote I gave comes directly from his CD on Shooting IDPA available through idoa.com and not a Q&A. What he said was he never has shot more than 20K rounds in a year then went on to say he dry fires at a ratio of 10 to 1 relative to live fire.

Guys like Vogel and Miculuk are phenoms who are driven beyond the norm. You obviously shoot for fun..keep it that way. Practicing reloads or dry firing for 8 hours a day is well beyond my boring threshold and being retired I do have the time, just no desire.

Take Care

Bob
 
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I bought a new Beretta in spring 2015 and it's got at least 20k rounds through it now. Just bought a Girsan,too

What I like the most about the Betetta is how much abuse and neglect it seems to be able to handle. It rarely gets cleaned but always functions fine

I don't like the safety much, but I personally don't use it much either. I think the trigger lends itself to dropping your muzzle as you shoot, especially for a new shooter. The grip is a bit blocky for some people. It's not my favourite pistol to shoot, I shoot it reasonably well.

It wouldn't be a bad choice at all for a zombie apocalypse. :)
 
Have owned a few different 92 series Berettas in the past. Always found the grip a tad too "clubby" for me.

Found the CZ75/85 +/or BHP grip much more to my linking.

Never looked back.

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What I didn't like about the Vertec is there wasn't enough of a grip angle for me, I need that little but of a curve. It felt a bit Tokarovish to me.
 
Pietro Beretta 92F 9 Para Blued
Beretta USA 92FS 9mm Brutinon
Beretta USA 96FS .40 cal Inox/stainless
Beretta M9 9mm Brutinon (Current Beretta pistol)

When I was a 13 year old child playing Cops&Robbers with my buddies, I had a full sized black Beretta 9mm which was very real looking, same size, etc. I also ways had a love affair with that gorgeous Italian Stallion, the iconic Beretta 9mm automatic handgun, Like a Ferrari the Beretta 92/96 Series pistol is an Italian masterpiece with ###y lines and great craftsmanship.

Ive owned many 9mm pistols, more .45 ACP pistols, and a few .40's (and .357 Mag & .44 Mag in S&W wheel guns). Hands down the Beretta 92/96 will always be a staple in my collection. The only 9mm that I also love is the Sig Sauer P226 / Mk25 Navy and the Legendary Glock 17 3rd Gen 9X19. My Glock 17 was hands down the most accurate 9mm I've ever owned and fired. If the Beretta 9mm is a 7/10 in accuracy department the G17 is easily a 10/10 perfect score.

The Beretta 92/96 has greater ### appeal than other 9mm's such as the USP-9, Glock 17/19, Sig P226, etc.


Cheers :)
 
8 years later, I've not left the 92FS.

Tried the Shadow, tried the Sig. Not to my liking. They just didn't feel as solid.

Really, once you get used to a certain gun, a certain trigger, a certain place where you put your fingers when you grip, it's hard to switch.

I know all the disadvantages of the 92 series, but I know the advantages too, and I doubt I will ever switch out.
 
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