Found a Gew.98 scope in the U.S., import permit required ?

you cannot export any item that needs and export permit less then 100.00 or not as the exporter NEEDS to have an export license

the $100.00 thing is for those who HAVE an export license and just allows small no critical items to be exported without added export permits


call the us state department YOURSELF cover YOUR own ass get them to fax you thier answer
 
Questar mentioned that if the scope's value is $100 USD or less than it does not require an export permit.

I think I will go through Questar just to be on the safe side.
 
Might be simpler to source one from Europe.

Yeah, you might want to pursue this. Check out German Ebay (ebay.de) and Egun.de and search for zielfernrohr. Most sellers speak English and some are willing to ship. About 5 years ago, I picked up an original wartime Zeiss Zielvier and an Zf41 rig for less than what the repro's are selling for now.
I don't think anyone is faking the brass objective lens rings of WW1 era stuff yet, so that is reassuring. Here's one:

http://cgi.ebay.de/Zielfernrohr-Ant...180662527664?pt=Militaria&hash=item2a105366b0
 
Sounds like a plan. I got some pictures of the scope from the seller I am dealing with. I was informed that post WW1 rings had been soldered onto the body but it has given way on one ring already. The seller has also pointed me to some correct reproduction rings for this scope. With the wear and tear on the current scope rings and the rusting on the under side, I am thinking this scope saw possible post war service ?

I have found similar matches to this scope in my book, "Rifle and Carbine 98", though there are variations. With a bit of work, this scope can be used in a Gewehr 98 clone setup.

Here are some pictures that the seller sent me:

Thoughts are welcome.

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Scopes require the U.S. export permit, that requires a Canadian import permit for the U.S. seller to be able to get. The Canadian import permit is the only thing you'll ever get for free from our government.
 
Antique Optical Device, that how you should call it. Export permit for old German scope will be issued 100% not sure about the cost.
In order to avoid all this mess with US, find something in Europe there is plenty for sale and no export issues
 
Could this fall under the Curio & Relic classification, I wonder??

IIRC the C&R designation removes a lot of the obstacles for import/export.

Still, the best advice is to call the BATFE and the US State Department for clarification.
 
I'll see if I can contact them (they accept questions over the phone, right ? )

In the mean time I am in contact with Questar and i have asked about the permit related to scopes and if my scope would be classified differently because of it's age. I also struck a deal with the seller in the U.S.

I have another Canadian importer in mind that has been referenced by a good friend of mine.

I wonder, would scope rings/mounts require a permit ? I think I may be able to source these parts from Europe though.
 
So Nabs are you building a WW1 sniper here? If so I am looking forward to the pics! I'm beginning to develop an interest in German WW1 rifles.
 
So Nabs are you building a WW1 sniper here? If so I am looking forward to the pics! I'm beginning to develop an interest in German WW1 rifles.

That is one of my goals for collecting. At first, I wanted to find an original example but with estimated numbers being at a maximum of 40,000 made from 1915-1918 out of a total of 4,000,000 estimated Gewehr 98s made, my chances are very slim. I have yet to see an original example for sale in Canada or even the U.S. for that matter. This is also why I appreciate everyone's input for bringing this scope, both legally and safely, across the border.

My guidelines for this project are simple: Obtain original period parts where possible and substitute with reproduction parts where needed or where original parts are much too costly to obtain under budget.

I have to admit, I never expected to be offered a scope from sniper. That was the biggest hold up to the project in the beginning; locating the proper scope. A post war example would be incorrect and simply "bubbaing" a Gewehr 98 into a cheap look alike wouldn't cut the bill either. The only thing now is to locate a Gewehr 98 that is beat up or has her markings on the receiver partially polished off or something along those lines (anyone know of one ?) as I will work with it and bring it back. I don't think I would have the heart to ask a gun smith to install the scope mounts onto a rifle with a crisp and clear receiver marking.

The project began two years ago when I picked up a bubba Gewehr 98 that I was thinking of turning into a sniper clone. Well I restored that rifle to full military configuration and that included re-straightening the bolt handle (very crudely turned down). She is also the oldest Gewehr 98 I possess (marked Danzig 1905). I just wouldn't have the heart to loose that receiver marking.

I also learned some things about bedding the actions on my Gewehr 98s from a recent stock I picked up to restore a forgotten barreled action I found at my local gun smith. The wax bedding, at first a real eye sore, turned that rifle into a target rifle using iron sights. She was able to keep up with a Swede M38 not too long ago while at the range for the second time which impressed the heck out of me.

Any time you have a question about German ww1 rifles, just ask. I'm not an expert as I have yet to write any books, but I have a number of variants from different makers of the Gewehr 88s and 98s so I can always compare differences and follow patterns as they arise.
 
The scope came today in the mail, safe and sound.

I am just speechless, one of 40,000 scopes made from 1915 and 1918 and I am holding one. The sight picture is crisp and clear, no external damage to the scope, just wear and tear after a century. The bottom ring, closet to the back of the scope, is separate from the scope (as mentioned to me by the seller). It is also the one that I wanted to replace with the ring that is oriented to the left side to allow bolt clearance. The forward ring appears to be original to the scope body and is on nice and tight.

A buddy of mine mentioned to have a "nitrogen purge" (hope I got it right) to clear out any moisture from scope tube. For those that have owned scopes before, what are your thoughts ? Does anyone have any thoughts for properly inspecting and maintaining a vintage scope ?

I am looking very much forward to mounting this scope on my project Gewehr 98.
 
Congrats Nabs. Re the nitrogen purge I would suggest contacting someone that repairs/restores telescopes or camera optics or old riflescopes for an opinion. I know modern spotting scopes and riflescopes are filled with nitrogen to prevent moisture entering the tube but with an old scope I'm not sure how you would put nitrogen into the tube without breaking the seals. If you don't see any moisture now you might be best leaving it alone. Talk to an expert.
 
From my research, the only scopes which need an export permit are those addressed through the US ITAR regulations. In short, and DYDD before proceeding, the scopes which require export permits are those built to military specifications in one respect or another. This does not automatically imply that mil-dot scopes are addressed as a group either, as having a mil-dot ranging reticle does not make a scope a MIL-Spec item. The two 'mil's' refer to two totally separate concepts.

Congrats on the unique relic-
 
For those interested, I updated my Project thread on the milsurp board with some pictures of the chosen rifle along with a concept picture of how the scope would possibly look when mounted.
 
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